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The LSWCHP +P 158 gr load is a favorite of mine for my SP 101, but it seems like its tough to find online and pretty scarce in local gunstores.

Any leads as to where it can be purchased? In the Remington (ie
Product # R38S12) version?
 

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Try Outdoormarksman.com. They offer Remington R38S12 for $22.45 per box of fifty. I have it in my snubby.

Cordially, Jack
 

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Be advised that there's also a LSWC +P loaded by Remington, for those times when you don't want a hollow point. Below are wetpack tests of the Winchester +P HP (L) and the Remington solid (R).

 
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Oh, that older FBI load.

I thought you meant the newer FBI .38 Special load, the 147 +P+ Hydra-Shok. ;)
 

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Thanks guys - got a box of the 158gr +P LSWCHP (Remington) from Outdoor Marksman. Service was kinda slow, but maybe its only because of that type of ammo.
 

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Ok,
What about the NEW FBI LOAD 147 Gr. +P+ Fed. Hydra Shok. Anyone know of any test results? As an example how do they stack up against say the Speer GD 125 Gr. JHP?
 

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Ok,
What about the NEW FBI LOAD 147 Gr. +P+ Fed. Hydra Shok. Anyone know of any test results? As an example how do they stack up against say the Speer GD 125 Gr. JHP?
I don't know if it's the same loading, but this is not a "new" load; in fact, these 147 +P+ rounds are probably 15+ years old. Unless I'm mistaken, the bullet has a muzzle velocity of about 950 fps.



 

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Leland Ray,
I have a brand new (blue & gold) box of Federal Premium 147 Gr. +P+ marked LEO. It does not specify Hydra Shok.
 

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I don't think many FBI agents are carrying .38s anymore, and in fact, I doubt more than a handful are still carrying revolvers at all, so a "new" revolver load would be sort of redundant. The 147 was used in the 1980s and 1990s.

I've found the Federal load listed for sale from several sources; whether it's marked LEO or not I can't say. There's no law (most places) which says private citizens can't buy it.

Hydra Shok is the name of the bullet. If the bullets have a post or "spike" inside the hollow point, they're Hydra Shoks.
 
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Werewolf,

I see that your post was a while back - but in case you are interested in 01/2006, FBI Agents discontinued the use of revolvers completely. The last issued revolver was I believe the S&W Model 13 with the 158 grain load you are looking for.

When they switched to the Sig 226/228 in the early 90's, they allowed Agents to carry the S&W Model 60 (most Agents did so as a back-up weapon) and issued the Federal 147 grain Hydra-Shok JHP +P+ ammo in place of the 158 grainer. The Model 60 has been replaced by the Glock 26/27 as a back-up weapon.


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Mr. Leland,

I think you are correct about no real legal reason not to possess most of those LE only marked boxes. To the best of my knowledge, which is just that ( I certainly could be wrong) most LE only markings are much more of a company policy, than a real restriction. I am not aware of any law that would make it illegal for a non-LEO to possess them, unless it was perhaps some local type of restriction.

Usually the rounds with that marking on the box are still offered in quantities of 50 instead of the much more common 20 or 25 round packages. So that may actually be a simple designation some manufacturers use as well. But even when using the ammo contract, some of our handgun ammo boxes were still 25 rounds, depending on manufacturer and caliber.

The only round I am aware of from personal knowledge that was ever intended to be restricted from commerical use was the old Treasury +P+ loading, back in the days before +P+ loading were commerically available. From memory that was at least 15 or 20 years ago, and probably even longer. That may be the only "restrictively marked box" I have never seen on a dealer's shelf.

That one came in a 50 round box, mostly white, with large lettering stating it was only for law enforcement use. Those markings were actually more prominant if my memory is correct, than the actual caliber designation was on the box. The only way to obtain it initally was for federal agencies to order it with government funds off the Treasury Ammo Contract that Secret Service negotiated with all manufacturers for a 5 year period. So if it started showing up on gun store shelves, someone could very well have a problem shortly thereafter.

Just thought I would offer what I could on this subject.

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