[popcap]

I shot my Hi Power for the second time today. I put about a hundred rounds of WWB through it without a hiccup. To this point the new to me hi power has been completely reliable.

I then started to shoot some UMC 115 grain ball. I put about 20 rounds through it and twice the shell did not eject. It was not a stove pipe or a double feed. The brass came about a centimeter out of the bore. I am not sure if the ammo would simply not come out or if the slide missed the extractor and then came back on the round. Either way, something went wrong

I then shot another flawless box of WWB. I also took out my Glock and fired up the UMC ammo with no problems.

Any ideas what could be the problem?

Also, I was wondering if it is normal to have a little play in the ejector when the slide is off. I noticed I could move it a little even though all pins where in place.

thanks guys

 

[oberstlt]

Pop - I routinely use the REM/UMC green/yellow box stuff in 9mm from Dick's Sporting Goods in IDPA competition. I have friends who shun it just for the reason you describe. But in my Glocks I have never had an issue with it. In my BHP-35 I did not either but then again I was using an old gun with a very old spring. Sometimes I think all the white/green/yellow box ammo is stuff that does not quite pass the QA/QC standards. To me, I do not find this an issue as I do not generally carry anything other than premium ammo on the street. In competition at the club level and even the regional level the odd bauble is ok. I use reloads for practice only. I hope this helps but there must be a reason the stuff is cheaper than the premium ammo.

 

[popcap]

thanks for the advice oberstlt, I appreciate it.

I did think I might get a few more comments, even from mr. camp. I am not bashing UMC ammo, I am trying to find out if the UMC ammo might be pointing to a possible problem with my pistol. Maybe the rims are smaller, I really don't know. Anyway, I do thank you for the response oberstlt.

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. Of late I have seen quite a bit of variation in quality with quite a bit of the bargain-rate ammunition. In the past, I've had good luck with Winchester USA, Remington UMC and Federal American Eagle.

The last new UMC 115-gr. ball I tried in a STAR BM failed to extract repeatedly even though the gun had been reliable with older UMC ammunition and had been shot quite a bit with it over the years as well as with Winchester USA.

A month or two after that I had a bad primer on a Federal AE 38 Special round in a revolver using full power springs.

I am thinking but cannot prove that quality control has been lowered, perhaps so that the makers can keep selling ammo in the current "shortage" that otherwise would not leave the factory.

Again, I am not sure why but I am seeing it too.

Best.

 

[Guest]

Not sure how new or what springs your running, bu the UMC ammo is noticeably lighter loaded ammo than the Winchester Whitebox. Basically not enough umpf to cycle.

 

[popcap]

thanks to all who responded

this hi power is new to me, a mark 2, but I have not switched out any springs yet because they are very tight. The hammer spring seems twice that of any 1911 I have used. I will be getting all new springs soon.

 

[Guest]

Remington UMC sneezes in my Hi-Power more than other ammo, but that's just the 115 FMJ load. The UMC 115 JHP does fine.

I had a experience with my Baby Eagle 9mm with UMC.
The BE will cycle anything you put in it, but once while out shooting UMC, I had a FTE every round through 2 different 10 round mags. It only happened that one time with that lot of ammo. I think Joe4d is right about it being lighter loaded.

 

[BarryinIN]

I am thinking but cannot prove that quality control has been lowered, perhaps so that the makers can keep selling ammo in the current "shortage" that otherwise would not leave the factory.

I've heard (and read that) many trainers saying they are seeing a lot more ammo-related trouble in their classes over the past year or so. Some of that is, of course, from people using a "cheaper" ammunition than before, but a lot has been with the same ammo they have been seeing for years.
Something appears to be up.

 

[Bob Reed]

Hello,

That old saying still goes... you get what you pay for.

Since this thread is more directed towards ammo, I'm moving it to our ammo section.

Take Care.

 

[kilroy6644]

I always used to shoot UMC, and I had no problems, until I got my Walther P1. I could not get off two consecutive shots with that thing. I'd heard that they were finicky, so before I took it into the shop, I decided to try some other ammo. I bought some WWB and had no trouble at all, so I switched to that. But I never had problems with UMC in any of my other guns; just that Walther.