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Interesting. Never heard of 'em, but the guns look familiar. The pistols show obvious CZ75 influence, and some shotguns have a Franchi look to them. The "Bernadelli" name on some of the pistols muddys the waters some.
 

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Turkey. The country not Thanksgiving dinner!

I wonder if they are related at all to the folks putting out Stoeger imported Beretta Cougar copies/clones?
 

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Did some research via Internet. it's a Turkish manufacturer producing mostly clones of CZ's . They had an arrangement with Armalite that must have fallen through. I know the guys at Cherry's well, nice to deal with but it's a very small operation. They are importers of record for others though so a fair number of firearms go through there operation.

The pricing I saw makes me wonder why someone would pay CZ prices for clones. Particularly when CZ has a good name and customer service established. Will try to have a look at one in person.

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American Rifleman had a spread on the AR-24 pistol and the collaboration between Armalite and Sarsilmaz. I had not heard that this had fallen apart --- seemed like they had put a lot of effort and $$ into the deal. I think I still see ads for the Armalite AR-24 pistol, which is made by Sarsilmaz and does borrow a lot from the CZ-type pistols. I think the other half of the deal is that Sarsilmaz is licensed by Armalite to produce Armalite rifles in Turkey for sale to the Turkish military.

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Big Tennessee howdies, gents. If I can bend your ears a minute, here's my concern about the Sarsilmaz pistols.

Over the years we've seen lots and lots of well-made foreign guns founder in this country because the sole-source customer service company dropped that particular model. So.......

If the deal with Armalite has indeed fallen through, then my first concern would be parts availability and customer service. i.e. If Sarsilmaz is not willing or able to provide parts and service in this country, or if none of our domestic companies are willing to handle it, then I can't see them successfully selling their products here for very long at all.

As for parts, gun makers modify designs to fit their production capabilities, and knowing this I would be extremely reluctant to assume that Sarsilmaz parts will interchange with CZ's or one of the successful CZ clones.

I'd have real reservations about buying one until I could get these questions answered, especially when considering the price.

Thanks for listenin' and best wishes.

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Sarsilmaz makes several types of clones of different pistols.

To be most accurate, the Armalite is a Turkish clone of the Tangfolio, which was an Italian clone of the CZ. Others produced for the Turkish military/LE and/or export differ in other ways from it and the CZ. Some have a bbl/slide lock up more like the SIG/Glock than CZ for example. CZ mags do not work in some, do in others.
 

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JayPee I could not agree more.

The US market looks attractive to foreign manufacturers but is pretty difficult. Demanding customer service wise, and will only pay at clear price points, Most important the Turks will collect in dollars and pay expenses in there local currency. Not so bad on Turkish currency but on the Euro it makes net to the manufacturer about half. Not to mention our legal system which all foreign companies are very afraid of.

I suspect thats what happened to the Armalite deal. Anyway I understand Cherry's has a real interest in the high dollar shotguns and not the CZ clone pistols.

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Thanks, Boats,

I hate to be negative and torpedo a good gun, and if Armalite was willing to put its name on it it probably is a good gun. But I'd also hate to see a lot of our fellows buy expensive foreign guns they can't get parts or service for. So for now, I think Sarsilmaz will have to prove its case to me before I could buy one or recommend it to a friend in good conscience.

Good to hear from you and thanks for your comments, Boats. They are very welcome.

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Ditto on the parts issue! I'm still burning from Kimber's importation then dropping the excellant Daewoo DR-200 5.56 rifle. They left customers out in the cold with zero customer support, no parts, no concern for said customers. I guess thats the real reason owning anything Kimber doesn't appeal to me.
 

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Want to bet Armalite only took on the Turkish guns in the US in exchange for selling AR's under license in Turkey. When the contract is over they drop the ugly duckling like a hot potato.

Happens all the time.

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Seen these 9 mm pistols at Academy with "Academy Stores, Katy, TX" stamped on the side. Was just slightly less expensive than the CZ 75B. I'll pass.
 

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I have used Turkish made G3 rifles and MP5 which were very high quality. I want one of the CZ Turkish made side by side shotguns. I would have little issue with a Turkish made CZ clone. The Italian ones were good. It would only be dependent on the $. The CZs are awfully well priced now. OEM mags are pricey but the guns are cheap.
 
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