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I have a 700 (.243 cal) purchased around 1980 and have recently had two instances of the rifle firing off when I push the safety forward. First time was at the range and the rifle was pointed downrange. However, the second time was in my workshop. Fortunately, it is a brick structure and (extremely fortunately) there was no penetration. These triggers are known to be faulty and I question whether or not to have a gunsmith rework the Remington trigger or simply replace it with a Timney. I'm not sure I would trust the original trigger assembly regardless of what the gunsmith could do to repair or rebuild. Remington is supposedly aware of this problem since CBS did a documentary on it some years ago. Any advice muchly appreciated.
 

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I would call REM and see what they say. You would have a worn or broken part. I have been around 700 for many years and despite the CBS expose, never observed this problem. But, guns are mechanical and mechanical things can fail.
 

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I'm in a similar "boat". I also have a 700 in 7mm Rem. mag., that I bought around 1980. Like you I've thought about changing out the trigger but for a slightly different reason. I've probably not put more than 700 or 800 rounds through it as I only shoot it a few rounds in the off season and then just before deer season, more to check zero than anything else.

Two years ago when I was coming out of the field, I pulled the bolt back to eject the cartridge. The gun went off as I was doing this. Happened again one other time and I've not shot it since... I just don't trust it. Fortunately I obey the rules of handling firearms and all that happened was a big hole in the dirt. Anyway I've always assumed it was a trigger related problem especially since the trigger is a known problem.

Just my 2 cents worth but my only problem with sending it back to Remington (even if they'll fix it under some kind or recall) is that shipping would cost more than paying for and dropping in a Timney. It appears to be something I could do myself even with my limited gunsmithing knowledge.
 

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Muchly appreciate all the responses, guys. I probably have not fired 25-30 rounds through this rifle and have never had this occur prior to the recent episode. I am thinking it is probably a lubrication/cleaning problem as it has been in the storage for about ten years without a thorough clean and lube. However, that being said, I have difficulty trusting a trigger that can allow a firing by just taking off the safety. Wonder how many individuals have been shot due to this malfunction and the whole thing chalked up to irresponsible gun handling by the shooter? I suspect a good class action lawyer would be very interested. Anyway, I have decided to simply install a Timney trigger and hope the problem is not involved with the bolt and firing pin mechanics. Will take it to a gunsmith next week and discuss advice/solutions. Again, sincere thanks for excellent feedback. Great site!
 

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Gents,

Anything mechanical fails occasionally. It's hard to understand failure of the Rem 700 triggers without the "full story" behind each.

I've been using them for many years and have had one failure in a Rem 700 I purchased for the action. The trigger was so dirty with crud and varnish that when you pulled the trigger the firing pin fell...about 1/2 second later!

Disassembly, cleaning, and tuning brought the trigger back to full function.

I'll be frank. The "old" trigger is what the Marines use in the M40 series and always have. NO issues with them. Remington uses this trigger in their Law Enforcement/Tactical Rifles to this day. Think they'd do that with a faulty trigger? Not likely.

I've heard the horror stories, but in all my years of shooting Remingtons have yet to see one that wasn't caused by operator abuse, "bubba" tuning, or lack of maintenance. YMMV...

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I can assure you I am meticulous with cleaning and lubricating my firearms. Of the 6 pistols, 2 revolvers, 3 rifles and 2 shotguns that I own, I've never had anything like what I described happen to me. I have made no alterations or adjustments to my 700... it is as it came from the factory when I bought it back in the early 80s.

When what I described happened the second time I did quite a bit of research about it and found a lot of anti gun zealots jumping on the anti Remington 700 band wagon. However, the Marines did have problems. Not many and user error may or may not, have been the problem. Never the less, triggers were replaced. Below is a link to Marine documents supporting this. This particular website does seem to have a sort of vendetta against Remington 700s in particular but the Marine documents do lend some credence to trigger problems. Scroll about 1/3 of the way down for a link to those Marine documents.

http://randywakeman.com/Remington_Under_Fire.htm

Having said that, my 700 is a wonderful rifle to own. Sub 1 inch groups at 100 yards are the norm. I wouldn't sell it for anything.
 

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Les,

Thanks for the link. Some of that is new data. I retired from the Marines in '94.

The Rem 700 trigger is emminently tunable. If you know what you're doing and are careful. Maintenance plays a role.

Is it perfect? Probably not, but It's worked well for this old jarhead.

Wes
 

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jonbp, thanks for starting this thread. I haven't shot my 700 in a couple of years and now you've got me in the mood. I think I'll shortly being doing the same as you and installing a new trigger assembly (Timney). I'm going to try doing this myself. It looks to be a pretty straight forward installation if you have a few basic tools and a little mechanical sense to go along with it. If anyone here has installed one of these any installation tips/advice would be appreciated.

It seems to me that with your 700 the simple act of clicking off the safety is enough to jar the trigger into firing, maybe not everytime but then once is enough. My guess is that when I do the same it needs a little bit more to do the same. Me raising the bolt to eject the cartridge is that little bit more. Wish I was enough of a gunsmith to figure it out.

Weshowe, after I got to work this morning I re-read my post and thought "geeze, hope he doesn't take my post as me trying to stir up the proverbial manure and start something". Glad you didn't take it that way!
 

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Les,

No problem. As I said, we all have different experiences with the trigger. If there is one weak link in the Remington trigger it's that the sear rides on a split piece of metal. It looks like it's one piece(and the top portion (IS), but it rides on two separate metal "arms". That's the best I can describe it. These can come loose and there-in lies the culprit, IMHO.

NEVER happened to me, but obviously HAS happend to you.

Had a similar thing happen on a custom Model 98 Mauser and Canjar trigger. The trigger had been re-worked by the factory and not re-blued. After a rainly elk hunt I returned to camp, thumbed off the safety and (you guessed it) "bang". Startled me...to say the least. That 250 grain Hawk did a real number on an oak tree!

What does this prove? That good gun handling in all cases averted a potential disaster...

Take that Remmie out and have some fun. My M40A1 is in the front of the safe just waiting for my next range trip. I'll report back.

.308's...you gotta love'm.

Wes
 

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Great comments and advice, as usual, gentlemen. tks. Although the Timney replacement looks to be a simple "plug in" according to the reviews, I have decided to go ahead and have a local gunsmith to the work. For an extra couple of bucks, I can have the opportunity to chat (and look over his shoulder) regarding the Remington trigger and gather what comments and advice I can. I am a jeweler by trade and live by working with small and intricate items, so I don't really think there should be any problems with the replacement, but will let a professional do the job in this case. I can then take the original trigger apart and play..... I did email Remington regarding my experience and will let you know what their responce is..........if any. Tks again
Les, muchly appreciate the link to the other site regarding the Remington triggers. Good info for all.
 

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Remington had a recall on triggers.

Read this.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2010-10-20-remington-700-trigger-cnbc_N.htm

Recall Notice.

Safety Modification Program

Remington Model 700 & Model 40-X
If you own a Remington Model 700 or Model 40-X rifle:
Only those Model 700 or 40-X rifles made before March 1982 were manufactured with a bolt-lock mechanism. Model 700 or 40-X rifles made after March 1982 do not have a bolt-lock mechanism and may be loaded and unloaded with the safety in the “S” or “On Safe” position. Consequently, post-1982 Model 700 or 40-X rifles are not subject to this bolt-lock Safety Modification Program.

To determine whether your Model 700 or 40-X rifle has a bolt-lock mechanism, either:

• Call Remington toll-free at 1-877-387-6691 and a service representative will help you determine if your firearm has a bolt-lock mechanism, or

• Take your Model 700 or 40-X rifle to a Remington Authorized Repair Center and a qualified gunsmith will examine your firearm and determine whether it has a bolt-lock mechanism.


If your Model 700 or 40-X rifle has a bolt-lock mechanism, it is eligible for this bolt-lock Safety Modification Program. If you participate, your firearm will be cleaned and inspected for proper functioning by a qualified gunsmith. Once the condition of your firearm has been assessed, you will be notified of one of the following:

• Your firearm’s trigger assembly is otherwise in good operating condition, and the gunsmith will proceed to physically remove the bolt-lock feature so that your rifle can be loaded and unloaded while the safety remains in the “S” or “On Safe” position; or

• Your rifle’s trigger assembly is found to be in an unsatisfactory or potentially unsafe operating condition because of any number of factors, including wear, alteration or maintenance. The entire trigger assembly will be replaced with a new factory trigger assembly, which does not incorporate a bolt-lock mechanism.


In either case, the total cost to you is $20 plus shipping and handling. You will also receive a safety redemption certificate to complete and submit in order to receive a free blaze orange hat (one hat per certificate).

How to participate in the Safety Modification Program

Complete the General Repair Form and
Send or deliver your firearm and the completed repair form to either:
a) A Remington Authorized Repair Center; or
b) Ship your firearm to the Remington factory at:
Remington Arms Company, Inc.
Ilion Firearms Plant
Attention: BL Safety Program
14 Hoefler Avenue
Ilion, NY 13357

Remington will bill or arrange for payment once your firearm is received and evaluated.


CAUTION: It is your responsibility to comply with all laws and regulations regarding transportation or shipping of your firearm. Absolutely no ammunition should be packaged with the firearm whether loaded in the firearm itself or included in the shipping container. The firearm should be transported only in a completely unloaded condition.
 

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yeah, I was aware of Remington's recall but by the time I pay the $20.00 PLUS the shipping cost, it would be cheaper just to put in a Timney and add a 1/2 hour of my time. The cost for shipping my pistols when I send them out is between $50 and $60 so I can assume a rifle would be a lot more. You can't use the regular postal service unless your have an FFL, FexEx knows they've got you by the walnettas and makes you overnight and I'm not sure about UPS.
 

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I believe that rifles don't have to be sent via private (UPS, Fedex) overnight, they can be sent by individuals via USPS for factory repairs.
 

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Well, I had forgotten about this thread until it came back to life. Long story short. I put a Timney trigger in not long after this thread was started back in 2012. Thinking all was right with the world, out to the range I went. Put a couple of rounds down range and decided to chamber and then eject a live round. The result was a big bang as I was lifting the bolt. So now (well, at the time) I'm thinking there's something wrong with the bolt assembly.

I called Remington and with no hassle they said to send it in on the recall. They also sent me a mailer and off to Remington it went. During that conversation with Remington I brought up that I had installed a Timneny trigger which didn't correct the problem. Although I was a bit skeptical, Remington said they would replace the trigger assembly with the updated version, I believe the X-Mark trigger. Now, having replaced the trigger myself, I was a bit skeptical that a trigger was going to do anything at all to correct the problem. Remington did want me to reinstall the original trigger and take off any scopes or accessories before sending it in which I did.

Fast forward about 3 weeks later and the rifle comes back. Off to the range I go again. I put 12 rounds down range which is about all my shoulder can handle with a 7MM Rem. Mag. As a side note one of my 3 shot groups measured about an inch at 200 yards but, having said that, no need to mention the other three, 3 shot groups! Anyway, I loaded and ejected all the rounds just to see it I could get the gun to give me an unintentional discharge. Nada, nothing, and it seems the new Remington trigger solved the problem. I've taken it out once or twice since and the rifle performed as it should.

Now I read that they're having problems with the X-Mark trigger. Guess I need to give them another call. This gun, because of the trigger, has become a hassle. OTH, it's saving grace is that it is more accurate than my ability to shoot it so I'm inclined to deal with the hassle, perhaps, one more time.
 
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