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Need Help in Identifying some Guns

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Would appreciate help in identifying some guns and establishing a ball-park figure of their value. I have not seen the guns, so can't vouch for their condition or the accuracy of the description.

1. H&H double-barreled black powder rifle, .450 cal.

2. "Fusil Ideal Brevet dans tous les Pais," 20 ga., side-by-side double.

3. Revolver, "Der Officiere Corps der Garde Fufitier Regiments," serial no. 3368

4. S&W revolver in .357 mag, blue w/gold inlays and Texas brands, serial no. AAE6837

That's not much info, but it's all I have at the moment. There are many more guns in the collection and I hope to have a chance to look at them later this month. I will post more info as it becomes available.

If you have any knowledge of these guns, or can put me in contact with someone who does, I would appreciate it.

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1. H&H double-barreled black powder rifle, .450 cal.
If the "H&H" stands for Holland & Holland, this could be a very valuable item worth many thousands of dollars if in pretty good shape.


4. S&W revolver in .357 mag, blue w/gold inlays and Texas brands, serial no. AAE6837
This sounds like what is known as a "commemorative" firearm produced to commemorate an historical event or organization. Post exactly what the "Texas brands" that you allude to says on the revolver.

Perhaps others can help you with the other guns.


Another good forum to post inquiries about obscure handguns (your item No. 3 is an obscure handgun) is at http://www.e-gunparts.com/forum/forum2.asp?cat=5
 

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If the rifle is actually marked "H&H" I'd suspect its not a genuine Holland & Holland, as I THINK they were always marked either "H. Holland" or "Holland & Holland", and I'm not aware of any marked with just initials. Anyway I'd be quite interested to hear more details. Good luck!
 

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The shotgun is a (French) Brevet Ideal model. I can't find any other info, and the online translators don't give much help for the remaining language, but one gave me something like "all feeding" which may mean something like breechloading or refer to chamber length. Check for Damascus steel barrels before you attempt to shoot it, now.
 

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[quote:0g9xqr2w]1. H&H double-barreled black powder rifle, .450 cal.
If the "H&H" stands for Holland & Holland, this could be a very valuable item worth many thousands of dollars if in pretty good shape.


4. S&W revolver in .357 mag, blue w/gold inlays and Texas brands, serial no. AAE6837
This sounds like what is known as a "commemorative" firearm produced to commemorate an historical event or organization. Post exactly what the "Texas brands" that you allude to says on the revolver.

Perhaps others can help you with the other guns.


Another good forum to post inquiries about obscure handguns (your item No. 3 is an obscure handgun) is at http://www.e-gunparts.com/forum/forum2.asp?cat=5



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nevadaalan,

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it. As soon as I have more info I will post it.

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If the rifle is actually marked "H&H" I'd suspect its not a genuine Holland & Holland, as I THINK they were always marked either "H. Holland" or "Holland & Holland", and I'm not aware of any marked with just initials. Anyway I'd be quite interested to hear more details. Good luck!
Bank,

I haven't seen the gun yet, so I can't say for sure. As soon as I get more info, I will post it. thanks for the input.

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Crash,

I can't vouch for the other guns, but if that .450 is marked Holland & Holland it could be worth a considerable amount. Any identifying marks would be helpful. Check for Holland's markings and British Proofs. This is probably an exposed hammer, double trigger. express sighted model, as well. Much will depend on the overall condition of the rifle and the bores. If it is cased, with accessories, the value goes up accordingling. The case would have a Holland & Holland logo with their Londaon address, etc.
I would have this inspected by an expert to acertain value and shootability. I can put you in touch with the Secretary of the American Custom Guncrafters Guild...Steve is familiar with the big Holland's.

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If the rifle is actually marked "H&H" I'd suspect its not a genuine Holland & Holland, as I THINK they were always marked either "H. Holland" or "Holland & Holland", and I'm not aware of any marked with just initials. Anyway I'd be quite interested to hear more details. Good luck!
Bank has a good point. In generations past it was common for a manufacturer of an inexpensive firearm to roll-mark it with a name similar to a well-known, quality marque in order to confuse and deceive a potential purchaser into buying it. (You see the same thing going on today in wrist-watches marketed in mail-order catalogs. It seems some things just don't change.)

If the item you have is just marked "H&H" then you have a bogus copy. These type of guns have some level of collectibility because of their age and uniqueness if in pretty nice shape, but are only a small fraction in value to what a genuine Holland & Holland double-rifle (considered a "best grade" gun, in the English vernacular of the period) would be worth.
 
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