SBroadB9, SAC is a better person to respond to this than me but I will give it a go. I really don't see a need for +P 9mms and I am quite content to use 115gr standard factory hollow points for self defense. If I need something that is more potent I will use a 45acp pistol. An example of my thinking is I do not believe one round of +P ammo has gone through my Browning High Power pistols. Regards, Richard