For the price and what the pistol is made for they are not bad, not the best, but not bad. I have pick one up for $190. I'm seeking what would be the best self-defense round in it for 2 & 4 leg dogs? It's rated for +p but I would try to stay with a non +p round. I found a web page http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/9mm/gel9.htm it will get you thinking about a what to use. ???