[Bob Reed]

Hello:

I admit it Flat Burn's me up that pistols are shipped standard with such a low number of included factory magazines. Some maker's only ship their pistol's with ONE mag, while most other's ship their pistol's with only Two Mag's total.

FNH-USA is smart enough to know that most everyone use's double mag carrier's, so they ship their pistol's with Three Factory Mag's total, so the user can at least go out with one in the gun and a full mag carrier while their ordering more!

I personally believe that each & every pistol should come standard with a minimum of SIX Factory Mag's, and I would Not complain if they came standard with more!

Why SIX, because most folk's do in fact use a double mag carrier, and they should have a minimum of Three Extra Factory Mag's readily available for when they run the Three dry that their carrying.

How many Factory Mag's total do you think should come standard with a new pistol? Or in other word's, what's the "minimum amount" of mag's that you think should be shipped with a new pistol?

 

[BarryinIN]

I put "three". One in the gun and two in a carrier.

Six? I'd be too afraid they would include six junk mags and tack on an extra $25 each for them. I don't mind paying for six mags, but if I'm buying that many then I want some say in what I get.
I will take the gamble and vote for three. I'm not out as much then if they are junk.

Besides, before I carry the thing, I have plenty of time to get more mags while I'm checking the gun out before carrying. (Of course, I'll have to test it with those mags too when they come.)
However- I do realize that some may not have that option. A stalking victim who buys a gun as a precaution may not have time to wait on a magazine order to arrive.

 

[Bob Reed]

Hello Barry, since were talking about New Pistols, they would be Factory Mag's.

I edited Factory Mag's into my original post/question.

 

[BarryinIN]

I figured as much. Mags with new guns vary. Some are great, but I've got some new pistols whose mags left a lot to be desired, which is what I was thinking about.

For example- A lot of people complain about Kimber's factory mags. Myself, I think they are OK as a range mag but thats about it. Others say they don't even bother using them for that.

So using that example: I would hate for them to go from including two mags that people don't like to including six mags people don't like...and adding $80-100 to the price for them.
But if they want to give them to us for no extra charge, I'll gladly use them for practice.

 

[Papabear]

+1 with Barry, one in the gun and two in a carrier. For me this goes all the way back to 65 when I was issued my first .45 one for the gun and two to go......that's they way the factory should issue them too.


papabear

 

[oldtexan]

This really seems a non-issue to me. I usually end up with large numbers of mags for my pistols (6-12 or more), but it really doesn't matter to me if they came with the gun or if I had to purchase them separately. What matters to me is magazine availability in the marketplace and reasonable (not unfairly high or low, just reasonable) price. I figure that the price of a gun with six mags included would be proportionately higher than a gun with two or three mags.

Also there are probably lots of casual shooters among us who wouldn't want to pay extra for a gun to get six or 12 mags included, because all they ever use are one or two mags. I don't count myself among them, but I can see their point.

 

[oberstlt]

I think a new pistol should come with one in the gun and two spares. Now I tend to add my extra mags so that I will have at very least 12 of them for each individual gun. I actually view them as expendables and tend to stockpile my hi caps and use the 10 rounders for IDPA competition. You cannot have too many quality magazines!

 

[docv]

I think three magazines should be standard. It would allow them to stay within current pricing. More than that would cause them to significantly raise the unit price for the pistol.

R/ DocV

 

[gib]

I went with two. I've always gotten two with each pistol I purchased. I have bought extras but always order them in pairs. I guess my reasoning is you just might need a back up.

 

[pff]

I could live with three for starters on most guns. As long as they're alike. If I want more I can get more.

PET PEEVE: Sending two mags out with a new gun; one flat bottomed and one with a pinky-rest. Since they point differently, they essentially sent it with one to use and a useless spare. Would it kill them to add an extra floorplate to the box?


Regards,

Pat

 

[demented]

I'd like to see more than two, but not if they add $30 per magazine. As someone mentioned about factory magazines sometimes not being good for much except a trash can, Ruger's .45 magazines are a good example. The eight round followers they use at present were developed by the Devel corporation in the late 70's early 80's, junk then, junk now. As Ruger all but has a monoply on .45 magazines for their P-series pistols, after getting all the bugs worked out of one of their .45's, you still have the almost insurmountable task of getting their magazines to feed, especially the last round. Magazine availability has and will continue to determine my willingness to consider any pistol purchase.

 

[arminius]

I think three:

one in the gun, two as backups.

Also one might be a lemon or dropped and damaged, and a pistol without at least ONE spare mag is ridiculous.

I would rather order spare mag SPRINGS, than more mags. But I confess, there are several guns for which I have MORE mags.

Above argumentation doesn

 

[Bob Reed]

Hello & Thanks for the replies:

Well, I'm surprized that most only want 3 mag's as Std., when considering most everyone want's & has a far greater amount than 3 mag's per pistol, and many, including myself only buy Genuine Factory Mags. I see it as saving money & time in the end by saving on the mags up front.

I still like the idea thow of getting new pistols in nice cases w/6mags total and would gladly pay the slight increse for guns so equipped, especially considering that I'd be buying at least 4-5 Extra Factory Mags per gun anyway.

I have a hard time trying to visualize an upset owner of a brand new gun because it came w/alot of Factory Mags. Even the guys that use after-market mags would be winning by getting factory mags at after-market mag prices.

 

[spikey614]

I purchased my first BRAND NEW BHP. It was a Practical back in 2000 and it only came with one mag. I asked the owner why the extra mag slot in the case and no Mag and I guess he lied and said it only comes with one. I have since learned that the new ones DO come with 2 mags. Lesson learned and buyer will beware from then on. They should come with at least 3. One in the gun and 2 spares.

 

[gib]

Nice case and six mags.

That would be very nice. What do you think the increase would be to the purchase price Bob? I would buy that way if they gave me a break on the price. Isn't S&W is giving away two extra mags with certain pistols as a promotion right now?

 

[Bob Reed]

Hello Gib, I'd guess around a $80 dollar increase on a Browning High Power.

I don't know if S&W is doing a mag rebate or not, they have in the past and Browning did it a coupla years ago.

 

[oberstlt]

Bob - funny thing is that my new Walther PPS came with two genuine factory banner marked mags and on the other side they said Made In Italy. MecGar appears to be the OEM mag provider to the metal mag world with a few exceptions.Having developed most of my peculiar habits in the Great Green Machine, I am not fussy as long as they are mil-spec. I have had odd M16 mags and the Diety only knows who made those old M1911 mags. But I have bought and broken a good quantity of them since 1968. A quality mag is a good investment!

 

[Chris Stephens]

Hi there,

I don't know how many unscrupulous dealers have "liberated" the extra magazine in the case and sold it separately. I've seen it happen.

I vote for 3 and believe the Manufacturer could afford to "pony up" the extra without increasing product costs too much.

It's all about the money....

Chris

 

[pff]

It's all about the money....

Precisely.

And the extra $80-150 might be a dealbreaker for a lot of buyers.

Three is a practical minimum. More are available to those that want them (not everyone will), and need not be bought all at the same time as the major purchase (the gun).

Regards,

Pat

 

[degatesjr]

Three, for the above-mentioned reasons, but also for customer satisfaction. I frankly find it aggravating that you spend close to a thousand bucks for a Kimber, and they only include one low-end magazine with the gun (not stainless, no slam pad). Although it of course gives you the option to buy whatever flavor you want, Wilson or whatever, it shouldn't be a price point: simply include three mags as a loss leader, and get my repeat business. Gun manufacturers are stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime, and generating resentment, as demonstrated by this thread.