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My most recent .45 carry load has been Winchester 230-grain SXT (S45). Any opinions on this load?

Anyone know the ballistics on the Hydra Shok 165-grain bullet? Personally I'd prefer a heavier bullet, but I have two or three boxes of the stuff on hand, and it functions well in my guns.
 
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I have shot that load plenty through my Commander, it works fine in my opinion. I certainly wouldn't want to be the impact zone for one!

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I was feeling sort of nostalgic today, so I emptied my BHP mags to give them a break, locked the Browning up in the safe, and brought out this old beast. It's now riding close to my right side in a tan leather O'Rourke.

 
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LelandRay,

Ah, a pistol no doubt selected by a discerning gentleman with impecable taste!
There is something about the Series 70 Gov. Model!
Wes
P.S. Ranger SXT gets my knod, as well. In standard or +P configuration. Until recently I'd carried Federal Hydra-Shock 230 grain. Which has an outstanding track record, as well. Of course I'm the kind of guy that feels OK with ball ammo in .45.
 

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Hey, Wes. I'm carrying the 70 to work with me in the morning; I'm sure the boss will appreciate the musical guns game I sometimes play. :)

I rescued this old gun from a pawn shop after a friend called me and told me about it. Someone had done an "action" job on it, which left it dropping the hammer to half cock half the time and even dropping all the way every once in a while. I didn't trust the old beast from the get-go, but even though I knew it had problems, I didn't argue the price with the guy. It was a consignment gun, and he couldn't bargain, so I had to shell out $400. I replaced the hammer, sear, trigger, and disconnector, then added a full length stainless recoil spring guide and matching spring, and finally added the grips, which I purchased at a gun show in Kenner, Louisiana back in September. My total investment currently is about $460, which is actually a pretty good price for a Series 70. (I sold one in 98% condition with box and paperwork last year for about a grand.)

The final step on this one is going to be a day trip up to Mr. Birdsong's shop to get it Black T'd. The finish is getting kind of rough, and I'd rather not do any refinishing that will require polishing. I can have it microblasted and Black T'd while leaving the lettering razor sharp.
 
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The Ranger 230 is my duty load and favorite 45 load period. Suppose to have good balistics and I like the smaller HP with a harder rim that doesn't collapse like the GDs.
 

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Anyone know the ballistics on the Hydra Shok 165-grain bullet? Personally I'd prefer a heavier bullet, but I have two or three boxes of the stuff on hand, and it functions well in my guns.
Sir,

Having seen studies involving the shooting of the HS into ordnance gelatin it seems that the 165 grainer tends to come apart. IIRC the 185 was the best all-around performer with the 230 expanding only from a 5" tube.

As I don't trust Jello (or anything else you might eat, unless it's alive at the time) as a reliable test medium, I would estimate about 1000fps from a 5" barrel and about 10-12" penetration in flesh with dynamic expansion and likely fragmentation. I would carry it where overpenetration is a concern much as I do the lightweight +P+ 9mm under the same circumstances (the 124/125gr +P+ is my preference).

Just my take.

Josh <><
 
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I like some tend to play sometimes I carry Extreme shocks 230 gr. or Corbons 185 or 200 gr. and then just for a change up I load up some Black Talons. Thank God ain't never had to use any of them for their intended purpose. But if I ever need to I wouldn't want to be the catcher on any round thats out there. Be Safe Out There
 

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Hello. I had surprisingly bad results with the Federal 165-gr. HS on several javelina. The 185's and 230 grain JHP's from various makers worked fine, but the 165 simply didn't even stagger them with good hits. Usually two or more hits were required after the initial shot to kill them. The bullets penetrated very little in these little beasts, usually but 4 or 5" inches.

Best.
 
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The Ranger 230 is my duty load and favorite 45 load period. Suppose to have good balistics and I like the smaller HP with a harder rim that doesn't collapse like the GDs.
Jim: I like WW's Ranger Talon 230 gr as well. It's harder to find in non-LEO circles, but it can be found without breaking any laws in most states. According to tests I've reviewed it is a superb performer. I am convinced that the 230 gr Gold Dot HP is equally potent, and the 185 gr GDHP only slightly less so. I am less impressed with the terminal ballistic performance of any 165 gr JHP offering out there with the possible exception of the solid copper HP bullet from Cor-Bon.

I'm not sure what you mean by "collapse" with respect to the GDHP. In OIS's I've been privy to here in WI, the GDHP in .40 and 9mm has performed very well. The 180 gr .40 S&W load punches through automobile glass very well and does heavy damage to felons on the receiving end. I would anticipate the .45 to perform as well, but as few agencies up here use .45 ACP sidearms, shootings data is hard to come by.

With the ready availability of the Ranger and GDHPloads almost anywhere in America, I don't feel the need to carry anything else. Winchester's SXT is not a bad round, but it is clearly outclassed by the GDHP and Ranger Talon.

My only caveat with the Ranger Talon 230 gr is that one of my Commander-size 1911's chokes on it sometimes. Gold Dots function reliably in all my .45's, 1911 and otherwise, so it's simpler for me just to buy the GDHP's and use that in all my guns.
 
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I have always prefered the 200 GR +P Speer GDHP. It gives a good balance between the 230 gr loads and the lighter faster stuff.

DPS also had pretty good luck with it.
 

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Winchester 230-Grain plain jain hollow points, for me. Not SXTs or Silver Tips, just your basic copper jacketed hollow point.

They're a bargain in their price range, the feed and function flawlessly in my non-throated and polished RIA 1911, so that's what I'm packing in it.

-Rob
 

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I use the SXT 230 grain also. Reason being, it shot well in my gun. I tried a number of loads, and this one performed the best, as far as shooting to POA, feeding/extracting reliability, etc.
 
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FWIW -- Doc Roberts and Dave DiFabio at Tactical Forums and Ammolab, respectively, rate the Ranger T and Federal LE rounds superior in every service caliber. Next come a group that includes GDHP, Barnes X, Golden Sabers, Powerballs, various Corbons and the newest model of Hydroshocks.

They generally rate the older HSTs and the SXT as inferior to the above.

Interestingly, Alan Corzine who designed the Ranger T, was supposedly also involved in the redesign of the Golden Saber and of the new HST.
 
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I would use 230 grain Hydra Shoks..in fact my .45 caliber pistols are loaded with them..but my 1911A1s aren't my first round draft picks in a self/home defense type scenario
 

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My first string home defense gun is a 3" stainless Ruger Speed Six loaded with 147-grain Hydra Shock +P+. I sometimes carry a .45, however.

 
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