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On Tuesday evening, I will pick up my first CZ, a used 75B that I got a fantastic deal on. I have a question about the safest way to decock it.
Do I have this right?

Hold hammer with fingers
Pull trigger to release hammer
Release trigger
Lower hammer to halfcock notch.

Is this the proper procedure, and is it safe to carry the gun at halfcock? Also is it safe to carry cocked and locked?
 

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It is safe to carry the CZ75 cocked and locked. There is no reason to "de-cock" the CZ75. Just put the safety on.
 

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Lots of variations with the CZ 75's so it's hard to say exactly what you have. If it's single action.

Single action revolvers or pistols generally present a risk when dropping the hammer on a chamber with a cartridge. If you thumb slips you could get accidental discharge. Many have some sort of safety device, some reliable some not.

Good practice if you want to clear any pistol is to remove the magazine. Open the action and eject the chambered cartridge. Confirm empty, point the muzzle in a safe direction and drop the hammer on the empty chamber using the trigger.

I don't trust half cocks on any firearm and don't like any single action carried with the hammer down on a live cartridge no matter what the manufacturer says. I consider cocked and locked safe in my holstered 1911 pistols.

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If an owner's manual didn't come with this used pistol, contact CZ. I'm sure that they will send you one, or perhaps one is down loadable from their web site. The manual should contain instructions. --c
 

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Hi Dasmi,

I started shooting the CZ's in 1991 and started out with a CZ 85, which operates just like your CZ 75 except for an ambidextrous slide stop. I now carry a CZ 75B .40 cal. as well. Both are DA/SA pistols with sear blocking safeties instead of decockers, which I assume yours to be as well.

So I have been decocking these guns on a regular basis for about 16 years. In 1994 I fired an 80 hour, 1,200 round instructor course, which required almost constant decocking of the loaded pistol, and usually in a rapid manner, so I can attest to the fact that care and attention to what you are doing are the most important parts of decocking these pistols. No distractions allowed and don't ever do it in a hurry or when you're tired or ill. (I was required to do it in a hurry during the instructor course I mentioned and I really didn't like it much.....taking your time is always best.)

As Spad said, if you're going to use your CZ in a single action or "cocked and locked" mode like a Colt 1911 or BHP, then just set the safety. Decocking is unnecessary. When carried in this manner the CZ's are very safe and will not fire until the safety is released and the trigger pulled. However, I prefer a double action first shot and run into the decocking issue very often, as I assume you do from the nature of your question. The procedure you outlined is very similar to my procedure except for stopping at the half cock notch. Here is how I do it during routine, everyday use of the gun.

1. Empty the gun and lock the slide to the rear on the slide stop.(All this assumes you are right handed) To load your chamber for loaded carry, place one round in an empty magazine, lock the magazine into the pistol while gripping the grip in your right hand with the trigger finger OUTSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD. Make darn sure you don't have any oil or other slippery stuff on either hand.....this is critical. (Use an empty mag when you can....use a loaded mag only when you must.)

2. Point the pistol at something big and substantial like a big tree or embankment. Make sure your TRIGGER FINGER IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THE TRIGGER GUARD and release the slide stop to chamber the round. I use my left hand to do this by dropping the slide stop so my right hand can keep a good grip on the gun. You'll also need to take care to keep your left hand fingers out of the trigger guard while dropping the slide stop.

3. As you described, grasp the sides of the hammer firmly with your left thumb and forefinger and pull the trigger, lowering the hammer very deliberately and carefully.

4. Replace the now-empty magazine with the loaded magazine you intend to use in the gun while still pointed at the tree. You are now loaded and decocked, ready for a double action first shot.

Opinions differ on carrying the gun with the hammer fully down or on the half cock notch. It is certainly tempting to stop there so you can get your finger off the trigger before the hammer gets to the firing pin. However, despite this, I don't see it as a good way to carry the gun for the following reasons - (a) When you carry the gun on the half cock position you run a greater risk of hanging the hammer on something while it's holstered and pulling it back to the full cock position, in which case you now have a fully loaded, cocked pistol resting in your holster just waiting for something to get in there and fire it. (2) When the hammer is on the half cock notch, the slack in the double action trigger pull is increased somewhat, giving you a different DA trigger pull than if the hammer is fully down. Since most of us practice our DA trigger pull from the hammer-full-down position, this can throw a variable into your first shot that you certainly don't need in a defensive situation, or at any other time really. So from those standpoints, half cock can be a distinct liability. I'm sure some of these sharpie friends of mine on this site will put up a spirited opposition to certain aspects of my view, heh.

Like anything else in handling and shooting a pistol, practice is the best accident prevention device ever invented, and decocking these pistols is certainly something you want to practice.....but only with an empty pistol and with it pointed in a safe direction.

Hope these ideas are useful to you. Best.

Jerry
 

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Dasmi- I pulled this out of my CZ75 manual page 20:
"Load the pistol. Grasp the grip, POINT IN A SAFE DIRECTION. With thumb and index finger of the other hand hold the hammer firmly, pull the trigger and release the hammer slowly and gradually until it rests on the firing pin stop. Release the trigger. Apply extreme caution when lowering the hammer to avoid an accidental discharge! We strongly recommend to practice this operation beforehand with the pistol unloaded."


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Dasmi,
Follow the cZ instructions posted by gib. However when your fingers are sweaty and everything seems slippery, remover the magazine, clear the chamber, point the barrel in a safe direction and pull the trigger. After the hammer slipped once on a hot day, I never lower the hammer with a round in the chamber anymore.
 

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Thanks for your help, everyone. It is a 75 B, DA/SA. I'll carry it cocked and locked, as I prefer it that way, but I wanted to be sure of the proper decocking procedure.
 

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If you have problems finding a manual for you CZ pm me and I'll copy mine and send you a copy-
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Personally, I would have it cocked with the safety on if it was loaded (that is statistically the safest carry) and only lower the hammer if the chamber was empty.

But that is me, you have to work out your own system. The above quote from the manual is proably a good description. In no case would I leave it on half cock.

Jim H.
 

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Sounds to me even though the manual gives de-cocking routines. It's not real safe with a round in the chamber. If I had one I think cocked and locked would be the only way I would carry one.

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Hi Y'all,

I guess I'm a minority of one. Like I said earlier, I've been decocking these guns on loaded chambers safely for sixteen years. I will be the first one to admit that learning to shoot these pistols defensively is easier and less complicated if you eliminate the double action drills and strictly use the gun as a single action. [i]However, as a trainer, I have every objection under the stars to the premise that a man should carry a gun for survival purposes without knowing every possible way to fire that gun effectively and to render it safe. And when we simply say "carry it cocked and locked" we are effectively telling him he doesn't have to learn the double action half of that equation, and we have done him a terrible disservice. The hard fact is that if you are going to learn how to use the double action CZ's with sear blocking safeties effectively and within the full range of their capabilities, you are going to have to learn how to decock them on a live round safely and how to fire them effectively double action. If a man is ill at ease doing this, then he should reconsider his purchase and look into a double action CZ equipped with a decocker or a single action CZ.

Teaching new folks how to half-survive isn't what we need to be teaching them.

Bless all you guys......you got me wound up on that one and I'm sure I sounded a bit harsh, so please forgive me. A suitable interlude with an appropriate adult beverage should transform me back into that loveable cuss you all know.
And yes, the guns are all locked up for the night. Best,

Jerry
 

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I just bought a CZ. I intend to train and use as follows:

the CZ has the smoothest DA trigger of all ( conventional DA ) autos known to me ( excepting DA only, striker fired, ... ).

It would be ridiculous, to not use this. But I will only lower the hammer if I have time and if I am not in a hurry!

I KNOW how dangerous this practice is! I used to laugh, that it would never happen to me or anyone experienced, only to dumb cops ( then with FNHP
 

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Hi Y'all,

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However, as a trainer, I have every objection under the stars to the premise that a man should carry a gun for survival purposes without knowing every possible way to fire that gun effectively and to render it safe. And when we simply say "carry it cocked and locked" we are effectively telling him he doesn't have to learn the double action half of that equation, and we have done him a terrible disservice. The hard fact is that if you are going to learn how to use the double action CZ's with sear blocking safeties effectively and within the full range of their capabilities, you are going to have to learn how to decock them on a live round safely and how to fire them effectively double action. If a man is ill at ease doing this, then he should reconsider his purchase and look into a double action CZ equipped with a decocker or a single action CZ.

Teaching new folks how to half-survive isn't what we need to be teaching them.

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I don't think I've ever seen this expressed any better than here.

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Lever action rifles, single and double action revolvers all require at some point to be "decocked" and although it is most dangerous or "tricky" with an auto: ALLWAYS KEEP THE MUZZLE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION!!!! Rightwing
 
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