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Hey! I am definitely new to shooting, at least handguns anyway. I bought my first handgun a year ago, for target shooting and home protection. My question is about concealed carry. We can't carry here in Wisconsin, but I will be moving to a state that allows it in January, and I think it's something that I might do eventually. Will I be able to effectively and safely conceal the Hi-Power? I'm 5'9 and 155 pounds, and I usually just wear jeans and t-shirts. If I can't use the Hi-Power for carry, then I'd like to get a second gun now while I can afford it. I'd prefer it to be a single-action auto-loader, 9mm. or bigger. Thanks for any advice you all can give!

P.S. This is a great gun forum, by the way. I have gotten a lot of good tips on here about shooting in general! :)
 

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Hello. With a loose-fitting T-shirt and an inside-the-waistband holster, many can carry the BHP concealed. You might contact Eric of HBE and the moderator in our holster section for tips on IWB holsters. I've had good luck with them.

With a loose enough shirt or slim enough physique, an OWB holster could also work. Here is one I got from HBE a while back:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Hi%20Power%20Holster%20by%20Eric.htm

Here are some observations on one of his IWB models:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/IWB%20Hi%20Power%20Holster.htm

This IWB is not from Eric, but is also very good in my opinion:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Triskel%20from%20Garrity.htm

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Those holsters look pretty nice! If and when I decide to do the the whole carry thing, I'll have to look into getting one of those. Even with a good IWB holster, how uncomfortable is it to carry a BHP around all day? Especially on a hot day? I very frequently carry a backpack with me when I go places; is it adviseable to carry the gun in that? Or is that not condusive to good self defence?
 

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Hi there,

I have also had some luck with the Triple K belt slide for the BHP if I carry it with my shirt tail untucked or under a long sweater or sweatshirt.

Carrying a handgun all day long concealed can be difficult to get used to at first, but with time, you will become accustomed to it.

Matt, I really believe that if you choose to carry a handgun loaded, as I do, I personally believe that you should have control of the handgun all of the time, i.e. on your person.

Unfortunately, carrying a handgun in a purse or back pack leaves open the possibility that you can become "separated" from it.

Chris
 

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Matt, for hot days, it might be advisable to carry something other than a HP. Guns in leather close to your body when you sweat will rust quickly. Being from Texas, I understand heat and on truly hot days, pocket carry is more workable. You might consider a .38 snub pocket gun for carrying when it's hot or when you don't feel like carrying the BHP.

As Mr. Camp has advised a good IWB holster will have you concealed a BHP with very few problems.

-Rob
 
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Thanks for the advice, guys. I never thought about the risk of carrying in a backpack; it makes sence now not too. Texas is actually the state I'll be moving to and carry in, so the heat thing will be an issue. I may look for a pocket gun, I'll have to see. I feel quite confortable with the HP now (it took me forever to get comfortable with it). How are the instruction courses for concealed carry permits in TX? What should I do to prepare to take one?
 

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Hi Matt,

I don't know where in Texas you plan on taking the course.

However, the first thing to do is to go to your local gun dealer/range and find out where classes are being held and then find out what you will actually need for the course, i.e. handgun, holster, and ammunition.

You can then get some basic information on fees, requirements and qualifications from there.

Chris
 

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Matt, I haven't taken the course yet(still under 21). My father did take it last year and he said it wasn't a hard course. I believe you shoot at three distances. All shooting is done gun in hand. Basically, if you can shoot your HP and hit the target at 3, 7, and 15 yards you should be good to go.

I believe Mr. Camp has taught the course on more than one occasion, he should be able to chime in and give you more detail.

Good luck and I hope you enjoy Texas. Where will you be moving to?

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Thanks for the info. I'll be moving to the Dallas area; looking forward to it!
I've heard nothing but good about Texas, and I know it's a gun-friendly state also.
That summertime heat is gonna be a killer, though! Especially for a Wisconsin-born-and raised guy like myself! (70 degrees feels hot to me!)
 

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Matt, you'll adjust to the heat. Just drink water and wear light colors in the summer. Good luck, when you move here, drop me a line. Perhaps we can do some shooting!

-Rob
 
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Matt:

You may wish to try the method I use. I wear a dark color tee shirt under a white shirt. I carry in a shouldre rig and place my eyeglass case in the shirt pocket. I also wear a tee with an interesting design, I like wolves and have several shirts with pictures on them. I also carry a cell phone in front of my two place mag carrier. The eyeglass case, the shirt design and the cell phone are all "urban camouflage". They draw the eye of the observer away from the possible print of the gun and places the attention on something they recognise. The items used in my "camouflage" are so common that most, if not all, observers think that they are the cause of any "unusual" bumps or bulges. This idea also works well with vest. I wear one from Concealed Carry Clothiers. They do have a line of lite weight vest for hot weather wear.

By the way, I am 5'7" and weigh in at less than 155 and have never had any trouble concealing my HP.
 
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I like the "urban camouflage" idea; sound like it would work for me also. Unfortuantly, the move to Texas has been put off until Fall, so I won't get to try it until next year at the soonest. We can't carry here in Wisconsin :(
Although a concealed carry law just passed through the state assembly here, our Gov. has already said he'd veto it. As far as I know, we can't even carry pepper spray or anything. But thanks for the tips on this, I'll put them to use when I do get to carry!

Matt C
 

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I like to carry my Hi-Power in this way: wear jeans, put the gun in the left front pocket, pointing in for right hand draw and tilted slightly up. you have to wear a longer shirt over this, and it hinders movement somewhat. But if you have a little "belly" to work with, it can stick out just the right amount to mask the grip printing. You only need to stick out an inch or three, and then the shirt will hang down from your torso, and also drape over the handle of the gun. If you are standing up all day, you will be fine. But if you are going to sit down, expect to make some "adjustments," like, to everything. Even that.
 

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Hello. There's a saying in Texas that the devil owned Hell and Texas; he kept Hell and rented out the state!

Sage advice has been suggested in your thread concerning carry guns and methods. My 24/7 gun is an S&W Model 642, but my orbits are tame and I'm usually at home or in the neighborhood area.

When I carry a concealed belt gun during summer months, it is often a Hi Power Mk III 9mm with the matte finish, but I do clean it w/o fail after carrying during the seemingly longer and longer summer months here.

Texas' CHL course is not difficult. I've been teaching the class with two other instructors since it became an option and have signed off on something like 2500 folks. Of that bunch, two have had to reshoot the firearm qualification part. None have failed the written. It is not difficult if you pay attention and I suspect that you'll have no problems with the course.

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Stephen, what would be your recommendation for a left-handed horizontal carry shoulder rig with provision for at least one magazine on the off side for a BHP in .40. Thanx, JD40 (grin)
 

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Hello. I really cannot accurately answer your last question. I don't use shoulder holsters very much at all and have no experience with current ones. Hopefully, someone else here does and can give you first-hand advice or suggestions.

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A word on IWB holsters. Don't buy the soft suede type. The soft suede allows all of the gun's sharp angles to print through and can be very uncomfortable. When the pistol is drawn the holster collapses, making reholstering a real pain. Hard leather IWB holsters present a smoother contour to the body and also make reholstering much easier.

PS I once saw a movie in which a Rastafarian bad guy carried a HP concealed in his dread locks! I wish I could remember the name of the flick, it was hilarious.
 

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Hi Gammon,

I just purchased the Bianchi Professional IWB holster for my HP!

It is made of leather with a steel belt clip and has the "body sheild" to keep the C&L hammer from digging into my side. You can actually reholster the HP with it in your waist band and it is of very high quality! The outside/inside leather is smooth and the side that rides against the body is rough-out leather.

It is very comfortable and I look forward to using it!

Chris
 

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Hi Gammon,

I just purchased the Bianchi Professional IWB holster for my HP!

It is made of leather with a steel belt clip and has the "body sheild" to keep the C&L hammer from digging into my side. You can actually reholster the HP with it in your waist band and it is of very high quality! The outside/inside leather is smooth and the side that rides against the body is rough-out leather.

It is very comfortable and I look forward to using it!

Chris
I was at the local gun shop up the road yesterday, a quiet little place with a very low "gunshop commando" factor (just the way I likes 'em!) run by a retired high school teacher. You get a few regulars hanging out there talking shop and I stopped by to see what he had in the way of 7.62x39 ammo, and got to talking about Argentine Hi Powers and how, even in a Texas summer, a Hi -Power is one of the easiest double-stack pistols to conceal, easier that some single stack pistols. one of the guys asked me which "El Hi Power" I had and explained it was the full sized. One of the guys pulled out his, a FM "Detective Special". I commented that I had seen an ad for the upper alone. He had he had seen the same ad, but went ahead and bought the complete pistol since, with the deal he was getting, the complete gun was only $90 more than the upper alone, though he said that the full sized one was no more difficult to hide. He was using the same holster you mentioned in your post. It was a typical Central Tx August day ( hot, hot , hot. Some say Austin is humid, because of all of the lakes, but I grew up in Houston, which has a climate I've heard compared to both New Orleans and Southeast Asia. Not conincidentally, Houston has the largest Vietnamese population in the mainland US. Makes since, similar climate, great coastal shrimping, bayou' s everywhere, firefights are not unheard of....) and he was weaping cargo shorts, a t-shirt, and an unbuttoned "Hawaiian" -style shirt, though the colors weren't that loud or obnoxious. I think the Guyabera shirs, with there oversize fit and square cut work well, too and don't look out of place here, because, though many accoicate them with Cuba, they are popular in Mexico as well, and, at some functions, considered formal wear, if work w/ nice panrs and shoes. (Makes sense in this climate. Anglo suits, whose consept comes from countries on the same latatude as Newfoundland, do not fit the climate here. We are close to the same latitude as N. Africa, and should be wearing lots of loose, light flowing , easy-to-hide-guns-in clothing.
Sorry for the long rambling post, but my point is, with the right holster, mentioned before, and dressing around the gun, one can hide even a full sized pistol like the Hi-Power. 1911's are really popular carry weapons around here as well, seen as the spritiual decendent of the Colt SAA, and even before they came back in vogue, when the wondernine's were the "cool" pistol to have, and before Texas had a CHL, lots of people carried a full sized, or at smallest, a Commander sized 1911 in their belt, and/or a .38 snubbie in their boot.
 
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