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Gents,

Thought it would be interesting to compare both pistols, in the same caliber, and report my findings. Turned out to be a lot of fun. So here goes:

Both the pistols are box stock, two tone models with about 200 rounds through each.

Fit and finish: Both were excellent, with a slight edge to the Hi-Power.

Sights: Hi-Power has high visibility sights and uses a "white stripe" pattern on the rear and same on the front. However, the front is painted white the whole length and it's hard get a decent sight picture. Especially, in bright light. The CZ, on the other hand, has excellent high visibility sights with the 3-dot pattern so familiar. The dots are sllightly smaller than we see, normally, but are painted with a greenish paint that almost glows. The sights seem to draw your eye to them. This round goes to CZ. Whoever designed the BHP "Practical" sights needs to be flogged...IMHO.

Grips: BHP stock wood grips have always felt funny to me and I change them out. They work and that's all I can say about them. CZ's are black plastic and feel fairly good. I'd say BHP and CZ tie on the grip issue.

Capacity: BHP 10+1 CZ 10+1 Both share the same capacity, magazines and are of excellent quality. Both being made by Mec-Gar of Italy.

Fit and Finish: Equal. Two-tone, Black slide and white chrome silver frames.

Ease of handling/pointability: Both pistols index well and point naturally. The better sights on the CZ make target acquisition easy. Not so, the BHP.

Ambidextrious Safeties: Both. Browning type feels a bit mushy and is harder to engage. CZ is more positive and nicely shaped. Those with small hands will find the safety a bit of a reach for your thumb. It does become easier with practice. You can also engage/disengage the safety with the index finger of your dominant hand.

Slide Release: Equal/left side of the frame.

Mag Well/Speed Loading: Browning has a standard well where-as the CZ has an enlarged, flared, and beveled "chute". Reloads are definetely faster with the CZ.

Magazine Release: Equal. I found I had to rotate the pistol slightly to release the magazine from either pistol.

Trigger Pull: BHP-SA / CZ-DA/SA. Both triggers exhibited substantial creep and were a bit "gritty" feeling, but broke cleanly. Call it equal, but the CZ allows single action "cocked and locked" carry or conventionall DA/SA.

Hammers: Spur type. Hammer bite? No, but I've never had a problem with that. If you do, bob the hammer slightly and your home free.

Weight: Equal, at 35-36 oz.

Accuracy: Both exhibit acceptable combat accuracy. Double taps from 10 yards yielded two rounds, about an inch apart, from the BHP. The CZ groups were about3/4" to 1 1/2". Both pistols placed their rounds dead center at 10 yards.

Reliability: Ammunition was Federal Hydra-Shock 180 grain JHP and PMC 165 gr. FMJ. No stoppages were experienced in either pistol with factory ammo.

Overall Impression: The BHP comes in a hard plastic case with a spare magazine. The CZ comes in a hard plastic case with a spare magazine and the follow accessories: Mag loader, cleaning rod, cleaning brush and an ingenious "snap cap" for dry firing. It appears that CZ is listening to the user community and is offering a few extras with their guns. The CZ wins on price point, too, being up to several hundred dollars less than the BHP.

Synopsis: It's a win-win situation. If you want a superb SA auto the BHP is you best bet. Should you want the option of DA/SA the CZ is a suberb choice. A final option would be to do as I did and buy both!

Those on a budget will find the CZ a welcome choice. Perhaps saving enough to buy some excellent leather, ammo, and accessories.

Should I have to go into "the dark place" I would feel well armed with either pistol.
 
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I am a big fan of CZ and High-Power (HP) pistols but not the 40 S&W. I agree with most of what you say but my nod would go to the CZ because the HP has one heavy recoil spring to deal with. In fact, the recoil spring on the BHP may be too heavy for many to rack. On the other side is the fact that the HP 40 is the softest shooting 40 I have fired and I have fired a bunch. Regards, Richard
 
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Richard,

The CZ and BHP both have recoil springs of about 16 pounds, from the factory. I normally change these to 18.5 pound Wolff springs.
I believe you have the mainspring and recoil spring confused. Somewhere in the '70's(Stephen?) FN/Browning upped the spec to a whopping 32 pounder and still uses that to this day. Don't know what the mainspring in a CZ runs weight wise.

Your right, both are good guns. The BHP will pop any primer out there...can't vouch for the CZ doing the same.

Wes
 

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I have both (actually 2 each)...sort of. My version of the CZ is the old Sprinfield Armory P9.

I certainly Love the Browning Design and, for me I would probably choose it, but it is a close thing.

Richard's point is spot on. I don't have a problem with the spring but my wife would.

On the other hand the Browning is exactly the same height (that is the dimension that is difficult to conceal) as the Colt Officers Model and the Glock 23.... Not a bad neighborhood to be in.

While the factory CZ might only hold 10+1 my old (pre-ban) S.A. guns hold 12+1. I wonder if a S.A. mag would not fit a CZ - My real CZ mags fit in my Tanfoglio 9mm (Tanfoglio made the S.A. guns as well as the Witness).

Come to think of it they fit in my S.A. as all I do for a conversion unit is to put a 9mm barrel in my .40 Caliber slide and then stick in a 9mm mag and it works pretty good (not that it is perfect enough that I would carry it ... about one malfunciton every 300 to 500 rounds).

Long winded way of saying...both good guns! Maybe I should run for office :)

Press on,
Jim
 

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Wes,

Very nice review, thanks much for the extra effort.

One possible additional point in favor of the BHP is the large assortment of after market grips, sights, extra magazines, leather, replacement parts and springs, gunsmithing services, etc. simply owing to its longevity and widespread use, although this may be more relevant to the 9mm versions of each.

As you point out, either should serve well!
 

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Hello Wes,

Thanks for the comparison.

The .40S&W High Power comes from the Factory with a 20 lb. recoil spring, and the 9mm High Power comes from the Factory with a 17 lb. recoil spring.

Thanks Again,
The Sockman
 
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Sockman,

Thanks for the specs on the spring weights.

Hmmm, the CZ doesn't feel like a 20 pounder. The Browning has a 18.5 pound spring now. Think I should go to a 22 pound spring in the CZ?

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Hello Wes,

If you replaced the recoil spring in .40 High Power with a 18.5 lb., Please put the Factory Spring back in, the 18.5 lb. spring is NOT strong enough for the .40S&W cartridge in the High Power, you could damage your frame.

I'm sorry, I don't really know what to advise for the .40 CZ, I've never owned one, but if I did, I would probally stick with new Factory Replacement springs from CZ, unless it was really throwing brass along ways, then I would go to the next step heavier from Wolff Gunsprings.

I'm sorry everyone if I got off topic here.

Take Care Wes,
The Sockman
 

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Wes, to reinforce Sockman's notion on the springs a bit, Wayne Novak basically told me the same thing about the .40 BHP's...use that heavier spring and change it regularly, as soon as it's "shrunk" a couple of coils' lengths.

Have ended up coming to like my .40 Browning more than my 9mm version, but let's not dig up ol' John Moses and tell him, okay? ;)

Very little trigger time with the CZs, TZs etc. But they just don't fit me like the BHP.
 
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Sockman and all,

Thanks for t he posts. Both my CZ and BHP still have the factory springs in them and shock buffers. So we are OK.

Wolff only makes two weights for the BHP: 18.5 and 22.0 lbs. So I'll use the 22 pounders in the BHP .40 and the 18.5 in my BHP 9mm.

That should take care of any BHP issues.

CZ Springs: Wolf makes the following spring weights for the CZ 75 series: 14, 16, 18 pounds. I have the 18 pounders. Interstingly the pack indicates it fits CZ's and clones, both 9mm and .40. Going with the heavies in each category should solve any issues. Will be using shock buffs, too.

Thought I'd lost it for awhile....or never had it!
 
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I do not want to beat a dead horse. The easiest way to rack the slide on an empty BHP 40 is to point it towards the ground in a safe direction with your knees slightly bent and then sling shot it. Regards, Richard
 
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