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Old 09-19-2005, 03:34 PM   #1
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Hi Guys,



Can anyone tell me what the hype is on these? I just don't see how they can be any better than a Gold Dot or a Sierra moving at the same speed.



Do the claws really do anything? When they got to making the original Black Talon, I carried them for a while. Then I made fresh orange juice.



The OJ maker didn't slice, but crushed. I'd hate to make OJ with a knife.



Also, wouldn't an expanded bullet push tissue out of the way of the talons?



I'm thinking it's just a good load because it's mid - weight at a high velocity.



Any thoughts?



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P.S. After rereading this I'm taking it to terminal ballistics. J.S.
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Old 09-19-2005, 03:55 PM   #2
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I can't see the claws doing anything apart from looking really fierce. If they did make an extra scratch or two, the hole the bullet just made in the person would be more to worry about! Actually now I think about it, isn't the reverse taper supposed to make them expand reliably?
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Old 09-19-2005, 04:16 PM   #3
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Hello. To me, the nice things about the Ranger is its ability to expand very reliably in most scenarios. It is very reliable in that aspect and has never failed to group well for me in several 9mm pistols.



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Old 09-27-2005, 09:03 PM   #4
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Josh... I have to agree with what Stephen said. The jacket edges or "talons" are not relevant to wounding, but expansion is, and Ranger Talon bullets expand very reliably. That's why I have 'em in my ammo cabinet.
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Old 04-24-2006, 11:14 AM   #5
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I am not at all sure the claws do anything but they probably dont hurt performance too much.



The thing about Ranger +P+ is that is is *hot*. It is probably just my gun but my Browning shows 1301 fps with this load. The bullet expands well and holds together... I could not ask for more unelss it would be expansion to .90 caliber rather than .67.



That does not mean I think it is so much better than a +P Gold Dot (or even a Golden Sabre) that I would scoff at the choice of either of these.



Couple of years ago I shot a deer that had at least 3 broken legs in the head with one and it did not do the job... It was dark and I obviously missed the brain by an inch or two even though it was a solid head shot.



Had a wounded coyote try to bite me and I hit him in the head with one...he was impressed! We are down to one deputy carryin a 9mm....he hasn't shot anybody....yet.



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Old 12-12-2006, 09:36 AM   #6
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Not only is it a hot little round but the muzzle flash is almost nonexistant which I like a lot. I personally like the Gold Dot Bullet better and if it were available with the same velocities and low muzzle flash I would be shooting them instead.
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I don't think the SXT bullet is the same as the Ranger T bullet. From recent wetpack tests with both types, the SXT did not have the "talons" that the T bullet has.

Here is a picture of the two....







This was for .380 caliber. I haven't checked other calibers.



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Old 12-12-2006, 08:29 PM   #8
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Just an aside:



Weekend before last a friend of mine hit a whitetail deer with his patrol car. The animal's back was broken, and as it tried to pull itself into the brush beside the road, my friend shot it with his department issued Glock .40 loaded with Rangers. He fired three times in uncertain light, fearing that the animal would get into the brush to die. His son later recovered two bullets from the carcass, both of which were textbook examples of expansion, just like in the pictures. The third went through and was not recovered.



I am the ONLY person I know who's lived around here any appreciable period of time without hitting a deer, though I have come very, very close a couple of times.





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Old 02-04-2007, 07:56 AM   #9
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I keep it in my G17 trunkgun. I tested it only for accuracy and feed. I trust your judgement of performance. At $24 a box of 50 it is good performance. I would like to see Hornady come out with the XTP In the same gr. and +P+ speed. I trust there bullets and have had many good results with there XTP in the 357 mag on 6 deer.
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Josh and all,



I get a chuckle out of the blender/knife comparisons. Remember that bullet is only doing about 1 revolution every 16 inches or so...I hardly call that "blender" action.

The "talons" probably add very little except for getting Winchester to market the stuff to LE only and remove the black coating...

I have three 9mm loads of choice: Winch 127 gr. +P+, Corbon 115 gr. +P, and Winch/Federal 115 gr JHP's. That said I am looking strongly at the Winch Ranger LE 147 Gr. loads.

All this, of course, if I am FORCED to carry a 9mm.

Jim H. is right...



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