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Old 10-04-2007, 07:46 PM   #1
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I just purchased a Ruger SP101 snub 357 mag and a Jimenez Arms model J. A. 22(a semi auto 22LR). I have found out after the fact that the Jeminez Arms handguns are not very good....it was cheap is all I can say and was bought with the intent of the wife and I getting use the operation of a semi auto. I did buy the Ruger after reading some the Q&A from this site. We love shooting these guns...we were a little scared at first of the Ruger so we have fired only Rem 38 special 130 grain MC ammo(about 25 rounds each) Wife likes it now(she is an avid deer and elk hunter and has got a deer every yr for over 20 yrs. She has used 243, 6 mm, and a 7 mm mag rifles...she just picked up a model 77 .270) I am interested in home defense and concealed carry(I have a state concealed weapons permit). As far as these and other handguns go...what should we do next.



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Old 10-04-2007, 09:55 PM   #2
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Hello, sir. The question on "what to do next" as I read it has to do with possibly future handgun purchases. I may be reading more into it than is meant but if you and your wife are more comfortable with the revolver, I think that one can do quite well with them for self-protection assuming that you and your wife know how to use them.



The house gun doesn't need to be as small as the concealed carry one and if you opt for a revolver, I'd go with something larger than the SP101. While I have extreme fondness for the SP101 as an easily concealable, dependable and accurate belt-gun, its reduced size still translates into greater felt recoil and 5 vs. 6 immediately ready shots. If you opt for a revolver, you might consider a clean used (pre-lock) S&W L-frame of 3 or 4" bbl length or the Ruger GP100 in the same bbl lengths. With the Ruger, I prefer the 3".



If you wish to go with the self-loader, there are a number of points to address.



Do you want single-action only?

Do you want double-action only? Conventional DA/SA?

Caliber?



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Old 10-05-2007, 09:57 AM   #3
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Hi Stephen



I do wish to go with some auto's. I'm not sure of the type as I don't completely understand the difference and why one would be preferred over another. In the revolver the SA and DA are pretty easy to understand. I have a "wish list" of guns right now and my choices are based more on price and style/fun than real practical knowledge(reading as much as I can and learning some too :)). Some of my other thoughts are based on cost of ammo, ease of use and to master(if possible...which includes my 5'4" 135# wife), and personal taste.



Hand Gun list right now(semi auto)...not really in any order.



Walther PK22 - need a REAL 22LR semi auto in a small frame for practice, fun, ease of concealment, and cost.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/698958001769.html



Bersa Thunder 380 lite mate - "seems" like a good choice for Pennie and I to step up too from the 22LR. Would likely be her personal handgun.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/091664903752.html



Glock 26 9mm - good conceal semi auto probably the largest(caliber) that we will shoot(I like your "controllability" idea combined with 10 rounds vs 6). Would be my personal handgun.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/PI26502.html



Ruger P95D PR 9mm 15 Rd - Home defense semi auto handgun. Shares ammo with the Glock 26. Relatively inexpensive.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/736676130115.html



I have more than these on my "wish list" but they are long guns and one other revolver



Any thoughts? I'm an open minded beginner :)



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Old 10-05-2007, 09:37 PM   #4
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Hello.



For a .22, I'd go with one of the full-size Ruger semiautos. This would rule out concealed carry but it would allow you to do some really nice practice for accuracy.



Of the 9mm pistols you listed, the Glock 26 should prove reliable and relatively easy to conceal. I have been pretty surprised at how easy they are to shoot well. At the same time, the Ruger should prove easier to shoot with regard to felt recoil due to its size and weight.



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Old 10-05-2007, 10:35 PM   #5
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Howdy Mr. Tim,



First welcome to the site sir. Second, since you are asking for some suggestions, I will share a thought or two with you.



I understand your actually shooting experience is somewhat limited right now, which makes you just like all of us were when we first began shooting. It really is much like riding a bicycle to me, the more you do it the easier and more natural it becomes. But you can't ignore the bike, then jump on it two years later, and expect to be proficient with it like you had been 2 years before. So I would suggest you think in terms of shooting enough with whatever handguns you obtain to become proficient and comfortable with them. Then continue to shoot often enough with them that you can maintain a strong level of comfort and proficiency.



To me, what fits my hand well, or a caliber I prefer for personal reasons, simply may not work well at all for the next 5 people that shoot it. So I always suggest to folks that if at all possible, shoot a weapon before you buy it if you can. How it feels in your hands is important, but how it feels while you are actually shooting it is even more important in my view.



So another suggestion that comes to mind is to think seriously about finding some good training to get you and your wife both comfortable with safely handling and firing handguns. There are firearms instructors who teach concealed weapons classes and are normally associated with one or more gun stores with or without ranges because of that. They may or may not be willing to do private work with you and your wife, separate from any course they normally run. Or as an alternative, many police firearms instructors when permitted to do so by policy, are often happy to work with folks on safe gun handling and basic marksmanhip training. If they can not, perhaps they know an officer they work with who is available to do that. Or it may be you have a friend who is truly an experienced shooter who could help.



So I would suggest you consider trying to find someone who is qualified to teach at some level, to start you and your wife off safely with sound knowledge. Then use that experience you two have gained, when handling handguns you are thinking about, as I think it will better let both of you decide which ones feel like they might fit your hands well and work. Again, if possible, try to shoot them first if you can. Many of the larger indoor ranges, have range guns of various brands and models they will rent to be fired on their range. So that is one possible way to shoot something first.



You seem to be approaching this issue with a desire to make good choices for you and your wife. So I just thought I would offer some other options for you two to consider as well. Hope it might help some anyway sir.



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Old 10-07-2007, 10:18 PM   #6
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Thanks alot for the responses guys. We are very interested in handgun courses but they are far away from us.



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Old 10-26-2007, 12:23 PM   #7
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One point on the concealment issue that is often overlooked is a good quality concealment holster for your Glock 26. Plan on spending $50-100 for one that works for you (actually you may find that you eventually collect a series of holsters for you Glock in order to fill different dress requirements or seasons). I tend to like strong side OWB (outside the waistband )holsters without a restraining strap. However, many folks like IWB (inside the waistband) holsters for conceal carry. You will have to see what works for you.



As for handgun courses, is there a local gun club close by? At my club we often teach new handgun shooters the basics for no charge. Another benefit is that many shooters will allow you to try out their handguns at the range.



Also look for a local IDPA (internation defensive pistol association) club or match. You will enjoy the sport and it will get you used to using your self defense weapon and carry rig under somewhat stressful situations.
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I know this is a late reply to an older posting but it bears saying.



The Jennings/Jiminez .22 pistols have a very disconcerting tendency to go full auto. If you snap the stiker on an empty chamber, just a time or two, as happens when you run the gun empty, the firing pin hits the chamber rim causing a deformation, that will crush the rim of the next cartridge when the slide closes. The simple act of loading the chamber can cause a slam fire full auto spree, without even pulling the trigger. This only affects rimfire versions, not centerfire like the .25 auto.



Leave the Jennings, and their later brand name Jiminez pistols to the gangbangers so they can accidently reduce their populations instead of you losing a loved family member to a defective gun design.
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