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Old 12-06-2006, 10:49 PM   #1
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I recently purchased my first "own handgun", and have been to the shooting range a few times with my Dad. I started shooting with his Smith and Wesson 617 about 300-400 rounds and a few clips with his Colt Commander. Hitting the paper (most of the time) with the Commander and grouping nicely with the 617, I decided to buy a gun of my own.

I chose a High-Power Practical in 9mm for the way it felt and cost of ammo . Up to 350 rounds so far and it shoots just fine. All ammo has been Winchester 115gr FMJ from Wally World. Unlike the other two handguns I've aimed with, the Hi-Power seems to be shooting a little low with a six o clock hold. The grouping is fine, but a little low from 5-10 yards and bottom of the target and below (missing the paper) towards the back of the range between 30-50 feet. (Still seems low from a rest.)

I know I'm really new to range shooting and it could be me, but should this be a concern? If I hold the front post at the middle toward the top of the bull, I'll drill the center and group there within a couple inches at 10-20 feet. My Dad has been shooting most of his life and he says it seems to be shooting low also, but it's my gun. ??? Has anybody else come across a semi auto consistently shooting low? Any suggestions or advice to further diagnose this or learn if it's caused by something I'm doing.

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Old 12-07-2006, 08:12 AM   #2
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Hello. You might have someone cycle the pistol and hand it to you, but sometimes with a round in the bbl and sometimes not. It is possible that a flinch has been developed and this would let you know if such is the problem so that it can be corrected.

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Old 12-07-2006, 07:21 PM   #3
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Mr Camp's recommendation is the standard one for figuring out whether you are flinching/pushing the gun in anticipation of recoil. In that case, you will have to train yourself out of that habit.

If that doesn't seem to be the case (or in addition to checking this) have your dad and maybe another experienced/good shooter or two fire several careful shots, using the same aiming technique (i.e. 6 o'clock hold) that you do. If everyone is hitting low, then it may be a sight or sighting issue.

If it is the case that it shoot's low with a 6 o'clock hold, but dead-on with a middle of bullseye hold, then you have do decide which way you are going to shoot. My primary purpose for a handgun is self-defense, so I much prefer covering the target area with the front sight -- I don't want to have to envision where the 6 o'clock hold point is on some goon trying to do me in. In this case, your gun would be just fine with me (assuming this is not a flinch problem). If you are using the gun for target shooting, most target shooters (at least this is my understanding) prefer a 6 o'clock hold, so if your gun is shooting low with that sight picture, you will have to figure out a way to adjust the sights. And (again I am not a target shooter but) you will have to adjust for different distances.

I don't know if a Practical HP has adjustable or fixed sights - if fixed, (and it is not a flinching problem), I would talk the whole issue over with a good gunsmith before attempting to adjust fixed sights.

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Old 12-07-2006, 09:35 PM   #4
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Mr. Camp, and ELB. Thank you for your input. I can guarantee I have a little flinch. It shows on my occasional flyaway. I have found that my groups are tighter when I empty the clip at a steady pace; taking minimal time to focus on the aim. (13 rounds in 2-3 seconds) I haven't timed it really.

When I focus on the front post, mind my breathing, relax my mind (anticipating the recoil), my target for that clip has holes all over the place most of the time and really tight others. I think I need a lot more practice. I've been loading five rounds at a time and taking my time. I may be a marksman someday.

I would also like to thank you, Mr Camp, for your informative website. I was looking at Ruger, HK, and Beretta 9mm's when I found your site. I had been looking for months at 9mm's. And the Hi-Power's Steel Frame, Look, Feel, Single Action, price, and simplicity was everything I was looking for. S&W 952 $1500 and it's almost too pretty to shoot. Stripping is a breeze compared to some other 1911's and variants I've seen. Twist this, hold that, barrel bushing, etc...

Thanks Again...
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:05 AM   #5
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Another thought: You might try heavier ammo, such as 124gr or even 147gr IF it is not a flinching problem. In handguns, the higher the bullet weight, the higher the impact (usually).

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