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Old 03-06-2006, 09:19 AM   #1
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That Winchester Ranger 9mm 127gr. jhp +P+ load so many like to use as their carry load in 9mm is marked "for use in handguns only" on the box? Any insights into why that is so?



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Hello. I am not sure but perhaps this is there to preclude use in semiauto carbines having blowback actions?



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I see. That would force the bolt back too quickly, develop too much chamber pressure, or some other unforeseen functioning problems, yes?



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Mr. Camp, is +P & +P+ used much in the MP5?



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I'm not Mr. Camp, but I believe so. Remember that stuff that's dangerous to shoot in handguns because of the high pressure?



Isn't the MP5 locked breach? I've never really messed with them enough to know.



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Hello, Sockman. The MP5 had a delayed roller bolt that acts like a locked breech. I've shot +P handgun ammo through them, but as is the case with handguns, +P does accelerate wear such that the bolts have to have some of the smaller parts replaced sooner than if using standard pressure ammunition. We wound up using Federal 115-gr. JHP (standard pressure) as it grouped quite well and was travelling about the same as their +P+ version from a service sized handgun.



The +P+ handgun stuff might cause a straight blowback carbine action to open a bit sooner and possibly while the bullet was still in the barrel. This would accelerate wear on the gun very quickly and possibly cause a very unsupported case to rupture...and it may just be because the makers never tested it for other than handguns and are seeking to limit potential liability.



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My agency was initially issuing Gold Dot in standard, +P and +P+ loads. We quickly discovered the +P+ loads in our issued MP5 were damaging the roller block according to our agency armorers. At that point the +P+ became a prohibited load.



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