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Old 10-25-2005, 05:20 PM   #1
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I'm new to the older Argentine Hi power and in need of some help.I bought it from a friend that was in need of some money, $300.00 is what I paid for it.On the left side of the slide it says FABRIQUE NATIONALE D'ARMES DE GUERRE HERSTAL-BELGIQUE BROWNING PATENT DEPOSE on the left side of the frame it says DIV.INTERNA SEC. on the right side of the frame it says POLICA PROV.BS AIRES-61.The serial number is on the barrel,slide,and frame all are matching (01024) and there is a pineapple proof mark on the barrel, just inside of the ejection port.It has an internal extractor,

ring hammer, and small thumb saftey,it had uncle mikes

grips on it at the time of purchase.Condition I would rate it about 95%.My question is do you think its worth

putting more money in to, I mean in the way of sights,

new finish, trigger job.I have heard that some of these

are prone to peening.And it does have an internal ex tractor unlike my MarkIII and practical.I guess I just have doubts about it reliability,strenght,and weather it worth doing anything with. Any imformation you could give me would be appreciated.

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Old 10-25-2005, 07:52 PM   #2
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The markings tell the story. "Fabrique......Depose" tells us it was made in Belgium by FN as opposed to Fabrica Militar (Argentina) The other markings tell us it was a Buenos Aires police gun purchased in 1961. I may be mistaken but I believe D.I.S. is roughly equivalent to the US FBI, or at least performs similar functions. Given the stated condition, I would offer that the gun was re-finished at some point in time.



As for worth putting money in to it, no way!



Just send it to me tomorrow morning before you have a chance to think about making such a foolish mistake. I'll make sure it is disposed of properly.
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Old 10-25-2005, 08:34 PM   #3
 
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Hey doubletap, It looks to me like you have a HP worthy of collecting not modifying. I think that was what abninftr was trying to say. Find a pair of original grips and you can pass it down to your grandchildren. poppy
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In my view, it's kind of a borderline situation:



If the item hasn't been refinished (most any gun shop can look it over and tell you whether it has been or not), or maybe even if it has but the lettering is still quite sharp and distinct (not damaged by buffing), it has some minimal collectible value with the sundry Argentine police markings. In which case I would guess (vis-a-vis my local market, which runs as high as anywhere) that, at an honest 95%, that market value would probably be in the $375-450 range. Poorly refinished, perhaps $25-50 less.



Given the former case, while not overly collectible, it is a fine old-style Belgian-made HP which hasn't been made in decades and I would be hesitant to alter it



If it's been poorly refinished, then I wouldn't feel many qualms about fixing it up and making it more shootable.



In either case, the item isn't exceptionally valuable nor do you have a lot invested in it. And it's yours, so do what you want.





HP's have never had a reputation for really hard metallurgy, but I wouldn't worry about the stories you've heard about peening and go ahead and invest in making it more shootable, if that's what you decide to do.













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doubletap, Alan's comments are worthy, but in my view the gun is collectable, after all it is only 6 years away from being 50 years old and that puts it in the curio class. Everyone has their own definition of what is collectable, but your HP is a real Belgium made FN Hi Power with relatively rare markings and even if it was refinished it is possible that there are no examples available that have the original finish with those markings. You got it for a good price and once you find a set of original grips you will have a keeper. poppy
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:41 AM   #6
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Well said , I appreciate the imformation and advice

from knowledgeable people.One short question

if I do deside to make it more shootable, do you think I have anything to worry about in the way of the internal

extractor in the way of replacement parts.And where could I get them to keep on hand.

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Cylinder & Slide amongst others have the internal extractors.











What I was saying was, "give me the gun!"
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Abninftr;

I know if it helps I'm looking for a HP40cal.

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Old 10-26-2005, 12:49 PM   #9
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Jack, I'm not looking for anything at the moment. It's just that I've decided to open an orphanage for wayward, unwanted and unloved High Powers whether they be BAC, FN FM Inglis or whatever.
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I know if it helps I'm looking for a HP40cal.

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If you're planning on getting more HP's (and almost everybody does. You can't live with just one HP, or two, or . . . . ), I would be inclined to keep the Argie police HP as is, at least for the time being until you get one or two more that are more practical shooters, and then you can make a better decision. At 95% you can still shoot it an almost unlimited amount as is without putting significantly more wear on it and reducing it's value if you handle it fairly carefully (don't scrape it around on a concrete shooting bench, etc.) or give it a lot of holster carry. I should have mentioned that any upgrades that are reversible --- such as aftermarket safety, grips, hammer, etc ---- that don't require significant modification of the handgun such that the original parts parts can be re-installed (assuming you keep the original replaced parts ---- keep the original parts) won't detract much from the the collectible value of the handgun. Aftermarket sights might be the biggest bugaboo, as there's no way that the smallish, silver-soldered-in, half-moon front sight can be replaced without a major modification of the handgun. Although not fast to pick up, the undersize original sights on the older HP's or o.k. for deliberate fun shooting. Up to you.













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