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Old 04-15-2015, 08:21 AM   #1
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Beer Can Sight Replacement

I have a 1979 Sport Model BHP with a beer can rear sight. At one time someone was making a replacement drop in sight for this application but I can't find it anywhere in the archives. Anybody know of one being made?

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Old 04-15-2015, 11:31 AM   #2
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I think this is the one you are looking for...

http://www.lpasights.com/en/america/usa

Brownell's Stocks them:

http://www.brownells.com/search/inde...ubmit=y&f_a=13

I'm pretty sure they made the adjustable sights that FN used on at least some of their adjustable model guns. These also are the ones that were marketed under the MecGar name at one time.

I have some of them and they are really good quality... they make them for both the new and old style HPs.

Hope that helps...

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I have a 1979 Sport Model BHP with a beer can rear sight. At one time someone was making a replacement drop in sight for this application but I can't find it anywhere in the archives. Anybody know of one being made?

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Old 04-15-2015, 12:06 PM   #3
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Thanks, Chuck. The LPA is the one I was looking for. I need to get some dial calipers and check the dimensions of the old sight and dovetail, than I'm off.

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Old 04-15-2015, 04:25 PM   #4
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Jer,

LPA makes two versions of HP sights. If you look at the photos, one has a front sight set up for a front dovetail... that is the one to order if you will use it on a Mk.III. It is supposed to simply fit in the existing dovetails.

The other sight is for older guns with a staked in front sight... and is for use with older guns.

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Thanks, Chuck. The LPA is the one I was looking for. I need to get some dial calipers and check the dimensions of the old sight and dovetail, than I'm off.

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Old 04-15-2015, 04:46 PM   #5
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Yes, I'm looking at the TPU60BS18, which is for the Sport model and is a plain black sight. It's also on another website,

Precision Sales International, Inc.

where it's shown without the "18", which signifies the plain black sight. This website also gives the height of the sight and width of the dovetail, so I can measure the old sight before I order and make sure they are the same. Are we on the same page now? I recall this being a very confusing subject every time I've seen it discussed.

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Old 04-15-2015, 09:21 PM   #6
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The beer can uses a .368 nominal dovetail if that helps. If the sight found is the very flat one that hangs off the back of the slide; the OEM front sight will not be compatible. There is insufficient adjustment of the rear to compensate for the front sight height.
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Old 04-15-2015, 10:16 PM   #7
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Jaypee, just wanted to add that one of my Hi Powers has a fiber optic rear adjustable on it from Precision Sales. I had one problem with it that was easily taken care of. Not sure what to call it but the hinge roll pin, the roll pin that holds the sight in place for elevation, it would try to"walk" out to the right (ejection port) side of the gun after firing it 40 or 50 rounds. I don't know if that is a problem in general with their sights or if I just was unlucky with the one I got. Since it always walked to the right, I simply flared the left side of the pin... problem solved and it never reappeared. That was 3 or 4 years ago. On the up side, the sight always held zero even with the walking pin and after the fix I have had no further issues. The "clicks" for adjustment are very positive and tight. In short it has proven to be very reliable at doing what it is supposed to.

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Well guys, Catch 22 has been invoked. I have conflicting authorities and publications saying the dovetail on the model with the beercan sight is .368 and others saying it's .375, which is what the new sight has. The only way I know to resolve it is to pull the beercan sight and measure the dovetail on the actual gun I'll be working with. I'll let y'all know how it turns out when I can get it done. Also, I'm going to call the importer and see if they can give me anything definitive on the subject. Thanks very much for all the legwork. I really appreciate it and I'll let you know how it shakes out.

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Jer, which version of the HP do you plan to mount the sight on?

SIDEBAR: They make plain black, white outline and white dot versions. Brownell lists them.

I have the MecGar version of the sight mounted on a FEG HP (I think you have seen pix of it.)

You might want to call LPA directly and ask... but what was explained to me when I was buying the sight on the FEG was this; They make two models of sight, one for the old style HP and one for the newer ones. The rule of thumb was if your HP had the dovetail front sight you used the model for the .375 dovetail. If your gun had a staked front sight you used the model with the .368 dovetail.

The older model sights were advertised as working with the original front sight (the ones labeled for MecGar) and this did in fact work... but it was marginal... finally I had to shorten the elevation adjustment screw on the rear sight to get more elevation.)

If you look at the photos with in Brownell's listing, you will see one version has a stake on front sight and one the dovetail... that is the give away as to which is correct for which gun... assuming they have the pix right

I am happy with the sights I installed... it was easy as any other drift in sight... I shot the FEG at a Thunder Ranch five day class some years ago and it worked without problems.

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I had an instructor one time who stomped his foot on the podium to draw our attention to an important matter in the lecture that we might see again on a test.

The dovetail used on the FEG is point two eight five. That is the same dovetail as used on pre MK III fixed sight hi powers.

The dovetail on MK III hi powers is .375 for all fixed sight hi powers and all adjustable sight hi powers. However, the Bhp sight cut for the LPA currently in use is of the melted variety. Melted variety can be described as the cut contemplates the entire sight, not just the dovetail.

The dovetail for the type A and type B bhp adjustable sight version is POINT THREE SIX EIGHT. This information used to be available on the Brownells website when they still had type A and type B in inventory.

Incidently, the Millet .375 was used with late pre Mk III and early MK III. Therefore some were dovetail fronts and some were not.

Now for the question of the day: what is the rear sight dovetail for an adjustable OEM sight for a bhp made from 1971-1986?

A) .285
B) .375
C) .368
D) all of the above
E) none of the above




Now, if a bhp MK III dovetail front sight height is .200 and the front sight of the OEM beer can rear is .250 high, how many inches low will the LPA direct replacement for the .375 dovetail shoot at 15 yards with the rear sight adjusted up to maximum elevation?

If it is any consolation, a .375 can have its dovetail base adjusted to fit a .368 dovetail, following the rule of alteration of the less expensive part.
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