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Old 03-25-2007, 03:52 PM   #1
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Mr. Camp,

I have read the material on your web site and some of your posts and I like what I have seen. I was hoping I could get your opinion, as well as anybody else who has any input.



I want to end up with two 9mm that are the same and two .45ACP that are the same.



9mm

I am down to the Browning Hi-Power and the CZ-75B.

BHP

I have a Classic BHP that I purchased way back in
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Old 03-25-2007, 06:12 PM   #2
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Hello, sir.



I'm extremely pressed for time right now but offer this link on the CZ and Hi Power in case you didn't see it on my site:



http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/CZ-75%20or%20BHP.htm



In a nutshell, I think it is very difficult to go wrong with either. Each has its strong points and each has its warts, as seems to be the case with most everything in life. If you can, shooting the CZ would be a good thing so that you have a comparison first-hand before buying.



With regard to the 1911, it just depends on how much you want to spend as they can be found at many price levels. Detail stripping the 1911 is almost certainly much easier than with others excepting perhaps the Glock. Most any currently manufactured 1911 should shoot inside 4" @ 25 yards. More aftermarket accessories, holsters, etc exist for the 1911 than any other autopistol I can think of. Were I looking for a .45 auto, I might go like this:



Springfield Mil-Spec or Norico at the lower end of the cost envelope.



Series 1 Kimber (almost certainly used) in the middle



STI Trojan at the just-under-a-thousand mark



STI Legacy at the under-two-thousand mark



Custom-made with Caspian slide & frame and Kart bbl and my choice of internal parts at yet a higher price if having the work done by a qualified pistolsmith.



The 1911 platform would definitely be my first choice in this caliber and its single-action manual of arms would very closely match either the traditional single-action Hi Power's or the non-decocker versions of the CZ allowing for cocked-and-locked carry.



Were I going with a DA/SA automatic in .45, I'd go with SIG-Sauer's P220.



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Old 03-25-2007, 09:40 PM   #3
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Howdy sir,



First welcome to the site. I don't consider myself as nearly as well versed on the various 1911s as many of our folks are. So I will leave those comments to folks who truly know the platform, like Mr. Camp and others. I have good luck with my 1911s, but have only owned a few different brands and have not shot many that are available these days.



On the BHP or CZ-75B, I own both, and personally don't think you could go wrong with either choice. As was stated each has it good and not so good points. But with both of these I think the goods far outweigh the bads too.



I love my HP but because of a grip I learned in a gun school decades ago, it is a fun gun for me. My left thumb will lock the slide release up at least once during each mag. So it is just not a carry gun for me now. I was impressed with the feel of the 75B in 40, and bought one.



I was more impressed when I found I could shoot it using my grip and not experience the slide release lever issues I have with my HP. The CZ does remind me a bit of a HP in my hand, but I do agree with Mr. Camp you really should shoot one first if at all possible.



Why not try to find a range with one as a rental pistol, or a friend or friend of a friend who has one you can shoot first. It really is far better to see how one functions for you during live fire. But for me, I am impressed enough now with my CZ 75B, I have an SP-01 in the works. I also plan on buying another 75B in 40 and probably a 75B in 9mm before they become popular enough that their prices shoot up.



Just my thoughts. Hope they help a bit.



Let us know what you end up deciding to do.



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Old 03-25-2007, 10:10 PM   #4
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Tim:



You have approached your issue very thoughtfully.



Unless you:



(1) Can try out a CZ-75B, CZ-97 or the Para 1911 or LDA before you buy, or



(2) You are willing to buy one or more of these and are prepared to sell/trade it off if you find that "it isn't your cup of tea" with the attendent significant to substantial financial loss of doing so,



I would stay with the quantities known to you if you are reasonably satisfied with them.



Buying, selling and trading handguns to try them out is lots of fun and provides a lot of experience, but there is usually at least some financial loss when you part with an item so you can afford the next handgun you've fallen in love with and unless you consider the cost of this as an "entertainment expense," you probably want to avoid it. Up to you.





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Old 03-25-2007, 10:11 PM   #5
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Gentlemen,

Thanks for the quick response.



I wish I could find a CZ-75B to try out! The more I read and hear about them the more I tend to lean in that direction. I think the only reason I haven
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Old 03-25-2007, 10:51 PM   #6
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The CZ-75 and HP are quite similar handguns, but not the same:



+ The HP is a slightly to substantially slimmer, trimmer, lighter and more compact package. Important for concealed carry, perhaps a slight detriment for playing the gun games.



+ Ergonomics are similar, but with my medium-sized hands I can trip the slide release with my shooting-hand thumb on a HP with a shooting grip. I can't even come close with the CZ-75B as the slide release is way too short --- I have to flip the handgun in my shooting-hand grip to release the slide release lever, like I have to do with a M1911. If you trip the slide release with your weak-hand thumb or pulling the slide back after a magazine change, this will not be an issue for you.



+ Trigger take-up on a HP is typically much less than on a CZ when carrying the latter cocked-and-locked. Not a real problem, but something to consider if you are really "dialed into" the shorter rigger action of a John Browning design. You can adjust to the difference with a little practice. On average, the CZ probably comes from the factory with a better single-action trigger pull than does a current-production HP.



On the flip-side, I much prefer the wide trigger of the CZ over the skinny trigger of the HP. And there's no magazine safety disconnect to deal with.



I would guess that the availability of aftermarket night sights is about the same for either handgun, but this is an issue you should probably look into.





Probably you can get enough of a feel for how a CZ will work for you by thoroughly handling one in a gun shop, focusing on the issues above that I've outlined to the extent that they are important to you. Take you HP with you for a comparison. (Have the action open in it's case when you bring it into the gun shop, and keep it open until you know the proprietor is ensured that the item is clear.)



The handguns shoot pretty similarly, but we are now getting into rather subjective judgements which can vary from person to person.







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Old 08-05-2007, 08:24 PM   #7
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If you are getting C&S parts don't forget to add the wide trigger. It gives you a larger area to put you finger tip and it seems to lessen the trigger pull.
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Mr. S - I have to disagree on the C&W wide trigger. While it acts as a trigger shoe, in todays holster world it may interfere with holstering. But C&S parts are high quality and I have them on my BHP.
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