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Old 11-06-2006, 05:51 PM   #1
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Do swords* have a place with the modern "horse"?

(* or similar).



This topic will be a non-starter for many who would have no interest in such a weapon. The modern "horse" is obviously the automobile. I do not mean the sword or similar as a primary weapon, but as a back-up when firearms fail.



You may wish to answer "spend your money on more guns and more magazines and plenty of ammo." I can appreciate that, but does not answer the question "a place for swords or similar in the vehicle?"



I have learned a great deal already about swords on the web. I have learned that much if not most of what is seen in the movies is done for dramatic value and does not follow what was really done "in the day". According to Sword Forum International, http://www.swordforum.com/sfu/swords.../parrying.html , edge against edge was generally avoided as it nicked the edge. Parrying with the flat of the blade was often done to make a hit or block a blow from your opponent. Every effort was made to protect the weapon when possible, depending on which type of blade and fighting style.



Anyway, I have no illusions about a sword or long blade being the ultimate back-up weapon. I'd just like to hear input about what could be expedient to have handy, in a pinch. Machetes, goloks, khukris, or other weapons.



P.S.: I have found a couple of websites that I found interesting concerning blades. The first is about the weapons made for the movie "The Lord of the Rings". Checkout some of the names for the swords, also how long it took to make all the weapons and accessories for the movie trilogy.



http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...Byko-0211.html



The second is an article about swords called "No Best Sword". Good description of the history of sword design.



http://www.thearma.org/essays/nobest.htm



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Old 11-07-2006, 05:55 AM   #2
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Hi there,



Thank you for sharing the excellent articles with us.



The articles are very informative and interesting to read.



Personally, I keep a Cold Steel Khukris style machete in my vehicle, but its intended use is a tool, not a weapon. However, I have no illusions that it could be used as a "improvised weapon" or a survival tool to create other weapons.



Again, thank you for the links to the excellent articles.



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Old 11-27-2006, 07:05 PM   #3
 
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I'd just like to hear input about what could be expedient to have handy, in a pinch. Machetes, goloks, khukris, or other weapons.


No. At least not that I can see, in terms of a weapon that would be associated with use involving a vehicle.



And don't get me wrong here; I've carried a short sword in my vehicle every day for years. I just can't envision any sort of realistic defensive scenario where it would be more than ever so slightly better than nothing.



They're too big to get into action and then actually use effectively inside the vehicle. They are practically useless to try using them against a threat outside the vehicle while you're still in the driver's seat. You have to exit the vehicle to put them to good use, (assuming you're in the even rarer instance that you can't just drive away or jump out and run away) and then I can't envision a scenario where the threat is far enough away to let you exit yet still be close enough to use a blade against. And if you have time to grab a stashed weapon (since you can't drive a car with a sword strapped on your side) and exit, that stashed weapon can be a gun. In all these cases a handgun will be much easier to get into action and more effective once it is. In terms of backup to a firearm, since we're not limited to just what we can carry in our waistband with a stashed weapon, why not have a second gun? How many scenarios can you envision where you're fighting a threat inside your vehicle with a handgun, and yet be able to get a sword/huge knife into action as backup? How many outside- where your gun fails/goes dry, can you go back and retrieve a sword and then actually make a difference?



I'm using a lot of words here... having trouble summing up my thoughts again.



For anything inside the vehicle, your handgun or a regular sized knife should be more effective to weild than a short sword. If you can get out of the vehicle and grab a stashed weapon, it should be a long gun, with the pistol on your belt as backup. We do not have CCW here in Illinois, but it is technically legal to have a big blade ready to go in your vehicle. So I can grab the knife in a split second rather than uncasing and loading a gun. But then once I have the blade successfully in hand, I have to ask myself, "Now what?"
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Old 12-08-2006, 02:32 AM   #5
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I have a whole lot of respect for the Bowie and Arkansas Toothpick style knives, which are in reality just short swords.



When I was "young in guns" I was already "middle aged" in martial arts and kept a katana. My dog mixed it up with a 'coon and when I went to retrieve a gun, I found I was out of ammo. I grabbed my katana, ran back out where ol' Shep was trying to gum the 'coon to death, and pinned the thing to the ground while I got Shep inside. The 'coon had worked its way off the sword while I was doing this, cutting its own skin. I couldn't leave an animal to die like that so I grabbed the katana and re-engaged the racoon. I cut across its back, and it climbed a tree. It launched itself at me and I did the "high block sword" thing, slicing it out of the air. I then beheaded it.



While this was not an expensive katana and it was somewhat dulled by hundreds of hours of practice on a wooden post I was determined to bring down with it and my sticks, it did do the trick.



However, Possum's right: Those things are simply too long to use inside a vehicle, unless we're talking Roman short sword/Bowie/Arkansas Toothpick size.



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Old 12-09-2006, 08:14 AM   #6
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it is like alot of things, guns included. if you train with it in a serious way it 'could' be an effective weapon in a given scenario.

if you dont train and are lazy about it, it could just as well end up a liability. jmo.

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Newsflash,



Seems kind of unwieldy to have a sword in the car. But under the bed or the couch might work:



"Wanted: Oddly injured ex-con" (Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper)



"The robbers pistol-whipped Guillermo Tovar Sr. and left him unconscious on a couch while they robbed the other seven men.



Tovar regained consciousness as the robbers were exiting and swung into action.



He grabbed a sword from under the couch, and struck at one of the robbers' guns just as he was about to fire.



Tovar's swipe took off the gunman's right trigger finger, which was left behind when the robbers ran out.



Robbery Det. Michael Rosario and the Crime Scene Investigations unit gathered their bloody evidence off the floor.



The tip was inked and printed, and run through the AFIS (automatic fingerprint identification system), where it touched off a perfect match."



http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/...144161,00.html



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Joshua's story about having a sword fight with a coon is hilarius. I've killed lots of coons in my day, but never one by beheading. Anyways, lots of people keep there firearm in the glovebox of their vehicle. In the instance of a car-jacking it would be quicker to pull a gladius, the short Roman sword, from under your seat than to try to get to the glovebox. This is assuming the car-jacker doesn't have a gun. As I always say: Don't bring a gladius to a gun fight. Just give the guy the car and split. Your '95 Ford Taurus isn't worth getting shot in the face for. Even still, if I go on any kind of trip my ninjato goes with me.
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