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Old 09-26-2010, 01:55 PM   #1
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Hello, Yesterday I came upon an Auto-Ordnance (Kahr) M-1 Carbine NIB w/ nice wood in stock and forearm. Asking price is $599.95. Questions: What's the general opinion of A-O/Kahr's quality--reliability, durability, accuracy? Is the asking price reasonable? I've always found the M-1 carbine interesting. However, I know very little of its strengths and weaknesses other than that its round is merely for personal defense, plinking, or varmint shooting. Appreciate any comments. --c
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Old 09-26-2010, 04:32 PM   #2
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Hello Corky,



I flat love M1 carbines. The "original PDW." I once had a former S. Korean Winchester M1 carbine Blue-Sky import. It was a great little rifle to introduce shooting to "non gun" people at the range and in the back of beyond. It has low kick, is capable of reasonably good accuracy out to about 100 yards or a bit more, and if one reloads, I think the cases can be reloaded fairly quickly.



I sold it when I was an impoverished college student. I did so because the originals just climbed in price to unbelievable heights. I don't think they've ever really come back down. The parts for 'em are expensive too. So are the magazines. And the ammunition! But then, what isn't? :( :(" title="" border="0"/>



My understanding of Auto-Ordnance/Kahr carbines was that they had some serious teething problems in the early production run. I think that if the rifle there has had all the kinks and bugs worked out, then it might be fine. I bought my wife a CMP M1 carbine, which turned out to be a late '43 Inland that was given to the post-WWII Bavarian forestry police, and later still to the Austrian Gendarmerie. She really likes it a lot. She's found she can't hit much anything with it at 200 yards, but at 50 and 100 it is OK. Good luck deciding on the Auto-Ordnance copy. I hope someone with first hand experience with the reproductions chimes in. Certainly those I've handled appear well-made. What I've read was that early examples had issues with tolerances and chamber dimensions and so on. I sure hope they work now.
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Old 09-27-2010, 12:55 PM   #3
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The asking price seems reasonable. As dave stated, the early examples had some problems. Haven't heard much of them recently. But I do remember the parts are completely interchangeable with G.I. parts.



The price of magazines has come down a bit, due to Korean manufacture mags coming onto the market. The price of ammo is comparable to 5.56/223 ammo, once you consider you get 50 rounds/ box.



I too am quite fond of the M1 Carbine. It is light, easy to shoot and accurate enough out to 100 yards. If you load it with softpoints or hollowpoints, it is effective on game up to deer size or will give a bad guy a bad day.

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Old 10-17-2010, 09:21 AM   #4
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I would avoid getting the Auto Ordnance at all cost, I have 1 and it's a POS.



In the 2 years I've had it it's been back to A-O twice for feed issues. I took it to the range yesterday with 4 mag's I know work in my GI WWII Inland and it wouldn't feed for a damn on 2 of the mags. This is a later manufactored one too (two years old)



I took it to a gunsmith right after that yesterday and he's doing to try and see what the problem is, since all A-O has ever said they've done is "polish the feed ramp".



I bought the sucker on impluse, I was looking for a decent GI Carbine and had been striking out....not 3 weeks later I ran across this beauty















CMP Inland based gun the owner before me had started a restoration job on, refinished the metal. I added a new stock but kept the origional.



Even if the shop can get that A-O POS running I'll end up selling it and looking for another GI or even decent Plainfield manufactored one.



Avoid A-O at all costs
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But I do remember the parts are completely interchangeable with G.I. parts.


That's not correct, you can use GI parts but they need fitting buy a smith (see my post here in the string)
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I picked up a like new one the WW2 model with flip L site,no bayo lug. Put 200Rd's of new Federal American Eagle through it without a bobble. Very accurate with the Green Mountain barrel they use. One of my friends needed money and he had the carbine about 6 months and shot a few box,s of Remington out of it trouble free. With the carbine I got 6 new Pro-mag 15rd mags and they work fine. Have not shot any of the early Auto Ordnance models. New U.S. brass ammo runs about $20 to $30 for 50rd box,s . I stay away from the Wolf steel case.
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Oddly enough the M1 Carbine Pro-Mags seem to be the only Pro-mags that work.
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Like all carbine mags I pull them apart and stone the burrs off the followers. The mags from Korea are junk and the 3 we had we used for target practice. They flew good when hit! I have heard the Pro-mag -M1A mags work good to. I have not tryed them. I too like the M-1 carbine. Its a good lite rifle for under 200yds. Easy to shoot and carry for personnel defence. Not a bad go-bag weapon with 2-3 hundred rds of ammo 6-8 mags.
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:25 PM   #9
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I love my 1944 Inland. Still functions perfectly.

I really want to replace my .223 with my M1 Carbine.



Does anyone know if there's any new ammo available that would not over penetrate, for HD use.

Speer has a Gold Dot in 30-carbine, but I've not read anything from anyone who has tested it.



I've bought magazines from Fulton Armory. They seem to work well. Those folks at Fulton Armory seem to know a lot about M1's.

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I'm more devoted to the M1 Carbine than I am to the AR 15. I love the light, handy Carbine and its round is pretty capable with good hits, especially with soft nose bullets. I'm not certain how important this trait is but the M1 Carbine points naturally for me. The AR 15 feels clumsy by comparison. The M1 is more comfortable when carried slung than the AR 15 is.



I grew up with a carbine in our home and shot it a lot. I've taken a number of various Texas critters with it and used it to eliminate feral dogs that were a nuisance. Dogs can be tough but it works. I've never been fortunate enough to try it on deer but my brother-in-law has taken 5 with it and has had good results.



Here's an Underwood from October of 1943 that I've kept around here for many years.





Here's my dad holding his early production Quality Hardware & Machine Company Carbine. This is the one I grew up shooting.





Both have been dependable, trouble-free little rifles over many years of shooting. The Underwood is more accurate at 100 yards from a bench rest than the Quality H.M.C. but both are accurate enough for most purposes out to a couple hundred yards.



I really like the .30 Carbine cartridge. There's nothing else quite like it.
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