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Old 08-02-2008, 03:26 PM   #1
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Hello,



I had a pistol I no longer wanted. It was just sitting in a case neglected.



I decided to sell it, but the economy here is such that nobody's buying, not even the gunstores any longer, though they're trading.



So, I traded.





Got a used Hi-Point 995. (Click the pic.)



This thing is butt ugly. In no way is it pleasing to my eyes.



However, it shoots. And shoots. And shoots. I ran all sorts of 9mm ammo through it and couldn't get it to malfunction.



The red dot dialed in quickly, and I was drilling targets to empty. I have some Golden Saber Bonded 124gr+P that were doing a number on water filled milk jugs at 50 yards. After I brought it in, I loaded it up with them, keeping the chamber empty.



Regardless of how ugly it may be, it's a shooter, and points very instinctively for me. If I need finer aim, the 5moa red dot will keep me on target out to at least 50 yards.



I'm thinking about eventually getting an aftermarket stock. They say you can't fix ugly, but I dunno... some of these stocks they have out look OK. I just wonder about the ergonomics though.



I do wonder how fast the bullets are leaving the barrel. The Golden Sabers advertise 1250fps from a 5" barrel, so keeping with the 50fps per inch, it would come out to 1800fps, which I can't quite believe. Maybe 1350 or 1400.



I figure it'll do the job when I need a rifle but don't quite need a rifle cartridge.



And... it's fun.



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Nice. (Uh. I don't mean aesthetically, but in the sense of *cool*...)

I have the higher-end-but-just-as-fugly 9mm carbine: the Beretta Cx4. I sure do enjoy shooting mine off-hand or off a bench with a 3moa red dot scope. I have intentionally jammed mine to practice clearance procedure, but other than that it has worked for me just fine. I am very much more accurate with it than I am with a revolver or handgun.

Last time I was at an indoor pistol range with mine, I met a rancher with a High-Point. We compared. He used his on varmints that a .22 was too small for.

Enjoy your pistol-cal. EBC!
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Old 08-02-2008, 04:14 PM   #3
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Dave,



Thanks. How do you like the ergonomics on the Cx4? I like the stock and they're making a "kinda' sorta' looks like the Beretta stock maybe a little bit" aftermarket stock for the Hi-Point. It has a spot in the forearm for a flashlight so things aren't hanging off the weapon as well.



The only concern I have is not liking it if I get it.



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Old 08-02-2008, 07:43 PM   #4
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Hello Josh,



Those are suppose to be really good carbines, and they have quite a following. Hi-Points customer service is also very good from what I've read.
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Bugly is as bugly does. Pistol caliber carbines are lots of fun.
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:37 AM   #6
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To me the hideous Giugiaro-designed stock has nothing on the Hi-Point looks-wise. Frankly, the thumb-hole pistol-grip stock on the Cx4 can be criticized for making thumb-release of the mags a bit slow/tricky, which is no good. Fore-finger is another matter, however. The stock has spacers that allow the carbine to be fitted to shorter or taller people. In my case, that makes for a very compact carbine. I've kept modifications to a minimum, but I do have a streamlight weaponlight fitted on the stock pull-out piece:

http://www.streamlight.com/product/product.aspx?pid=80



It seems fairly secure to me, but I've heard complaints that some think it is a bit flimsy. If you think you'll dislike a stock modification, give it some serious thought. From what I gather, the two are similar or comparable in terms of accuracy, the main issue is ease of disassembly and reassembly, for which one pays a premium, apparently.
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I have seen a different stock option advertised at "centerfiresystems.com for that Hi Point. I have never shot one but then I hear good things about the product. The stock i've mentioned makes the rifle look a little better but if it works why fix it? Plus it sounds like you are having fun and thats the important thing.
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More like an increase of 10-20 fps per inch, not 50.



9mm case is pretty small and the powder is pretty fast. You can't gain much more efficiency from such an efficient cartridge.



To get higher velocities you would need a slower burning powder.The 9mm cartridge simply doesn't have the pressure or case capacity of the 357 magnum to gain much more velocity in a longer barrel.
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Well, I read Josh's post and got inspired. Just got one on Gunbroker for $125, figured it had to be fun at that price. They sure are funny looking. My friend has a CX4 Storm and we both love it. I think I'll have to tart-up the Hi-Point to look just like the Storm.
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:38 AM   #10
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Welcome to the club, Jonny.







I don't know about the others, but I would enjoy a side by side shootout with the Cx4. I'm guessing they'd perform about the same (heresy, I know). I'd guess you'd just have to reload the Hi-Point a bit more.



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