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Josh Smith 08-09-2007 11:16 PM

Rem 115gr Standard Pressure Water + Denim Test
 
Handgun: Taurus PT92, 5" barrel

Ammunition: Remington UMC 9mm standard pressure, 115gr, packaged in a 100 round "value pack" L9MM1B



I was asking around the various gun boards about this stuff a while back. I received mixed opinions as to how it would perform, so I went ahead and bought it with the intention of testing it. If the tests came out in its favor I would relegate it to second string carry ammuntion and woods ammunition. Here is the test using four layers of denim and water jugs.



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Most important to any handgun/ammuniton combination is the the ability of the ammunition to function reliably in the firearm. Though I've done some gunsmithing to my Taurus to make it ultra-reliable, bullet shape never hurts either. As you can see, this Remington hollowpoint has almost a hardball profile.



Being old tech, this round is representative of older style hollowpoints designed to be used in pistols originally engineered to feed ball reliably. It works.



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My standard water test setup...



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And from the front...



That four layers of denim is thicker than it may look on camera. Take the leg of your blue jeans and fold it in half - imagine a hollowpoint bullet performing properly after being plugged with that much material.



Usually I insert a movie of the shot here, but I was shooting alone today.



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After the shot I discovered two things: First, the bullet didn't seem affected in its performance by the denim as the front jug exploded and landed on the ground, seperated from the denim which had been taped on well. The second thing I noticed was that, after shredding the second jug as well as the first, the bullet veered off and disappeared. (I set the jug back up for photographic purposes.)



Though I could postulate what happened from the reaction of the milk jugs, I didn't have a bullet and therefore nothing was "solid." I set up two more jugs which were meant to be used to test my carry round, the Bonded Golden Saber. That'll have to wait a week or so now.



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As you can see, the second setup is the same as the first.



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Here is the front jug and denim exactly how they landed after my second shot. The jug seemed to have been launched into the air and was totally shredded, looking as if someone had put a mouse inside and thrown it to the coyotes! This is performance typical to hollowpoints the generation previous to our current "best" crop.



The previous generation of hollowpoints, while they typically expanded well, usually did so in the first few inches. This was true of the Silvertip, and in my experience, true also of the Federal C9BP "Classic" hollowpoint. I used this last to dispatch a sick rabbit once at 15 yards or so, and it took that rabbit apart, looking as if it had expanded almost fully before exiting the broadside shot.



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These are jug numbers, from right to left, 2, 3, and 4. Notice how jug #2 is blown out, and jug #3 is losing water.



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I found the spent bullet between jugs #3 and #4.



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The bullet exhibited textbook expansion after passing through four layers of denim. Again, fold the leg of your blue jeans and imagine the bullet performing well after passing through that barrier. As well, I didn't measure correctly. These jugs are 6" thick instead of the 4" I am used to. Penetration was closer to 18" in water, or about 9" in ballistic gelatin.



Sorry about that, folks. The milk people need to tell me when they're going to change form factor! Oops! Seriously, I should have measured before jumping to conclusions. I will do so from now on.



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A closer shot of the expanded bullet. As I said, textbook performance...



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Curiously, the jacket and core did not try to seperate. Though I'm not too concerned about it, I may email Remington to see if they've begun bonding everything...



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From the front, you can see how the jacket peeled back. Though not designed like the Black Talon, Ranger or SXT, this jacket is fairly sharp and protrudes enough that I'd guess it would see some "action" if used for serious purposes.



Honestly, this stuff surprised me. Though I carried the +P version of this ammuntion while waiting for some premium stuff to arrive, I didn't truly feel comfortable with it and used it for range fodder as soon as the premium ammunition arrived.



Not the best these days by any stretch of the imagination, this Remington ammunition, now (perhaps sadly) relegated to discount store bulk ammunition sales, still has plenty of punch to do most jobs which need doing. While not top-of-the-line any longer for barrier penetration, having been designed to the older penetration specification of 10" - 12" instead of the 12" - 14" we usually accept as the golden standard today, this old style ammo should still do the job in most defensive situations encountered by law enforcement and legally armed private citizens.



I'm favorably impressed.



Josh <><
















Stephen A. Camp 08-09-2007 11:26 PM

Rem 115gr Standard Pressure Water + Denim Test
 
Hello, Josh and thanks for the report. I've generally gotten very nice groups with the Remington 115-gr. JHP but it was in the +P version. I suspect but do not know for sure how the standard pressure is in that regard but it almost certainly as "enough" accuracy for defensive purposes.



Best.




pff 08-09-2007 11:51 PM

Rem 115gr Standard Pressure Water + Denim Test
 
Josh,



Thanks for the work you've done with this load. Its greatly appreciated by folks on a budget.





Regards,



Pat

Josh Smith 08-10-2007 01:08 AM

Rem 115gr Standard Pressure Water + Denim Test
 
Thank you.



I'm glad it could help someone out!



Josh <><



P.S. That's not rust on my pistol; I'm due for a new holster! J.S.

Bob Reed 08-10-2007 06:25 AM

Rem 115gr Standard Pressure Water + Denim Test
 
Hello Josh & Thanks for your very well done report.




jeep 07-27-2011 09:19 PM

Thats some very good 9mm hp ammo and hard to find in our area. I would like to pick another 5 box,s if I run accross it. Money well spent for a honest to goodness proven ammo in the %80 plus one stop ammo. Doe,s spending $50 and up for so called hot-rod ammo make the perp sit up and say, Boy that that hurt 7% more then roll over and die.

one eye joe 07-27-2011 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeep (Post 82867)
Doe,s spending $50 and up for so called hot-rod ammo make the perp sit up and say, Boy that that hurt 7% more then roll over and die.

LMFAO, jeep........

pff 07-28-2011 02:42 AM

I'm still using it for carry. Pretty much quit plinking with it as its hit-or-miss finding it currently. When it was always on the shelf for a penny or two more than bulk ball I used it exclusively.

Still inexpensive enough to shoot enough to get the warm fuzzies about reliability. Kinda hard to do on a budget when you have five 9mm's and 30+ magazines.


Regards,

Pat

jeep 07-28-2011 06:11 AM

A local gun shop has the rem. 115 gr. hp bullets in the bags for 11.99. I load them with 6.2 grs. of Unique. They feed good and have good accuracy. I use Federal& WW primers The CCI have had crap reliability being hard or stale. I don,t use anything CCI anymore!!

JayPee 07-28-2011 09:46 AM

I will prolly be thrashed for saying this about an obviously popular round, but out of the eight 9mm pistols I've tried this ammo in, that is - 15 yard bench rest accuracy tests, only one of them would shoot it accurately at all. Guns that shoot other loads down around two inches at 15 yards will only group this particular Remington load into five or six inches, which in my book puts it into the questionable category as a defensive load.

Now, since the usual range for armed encounters is much shorter than 15 yards, you might conclude that this is acceptable service accuracy. But I won't use it on the grounds of a question I have: If this load won't group any better than that in seven out of eight pistols tried, what else does it do badly?

I haven't seen any of it in our local Walmarts in at least three years and I will never buy any more of it. I'd rather pay $40 for 25 rounds of proven, accurate ammo, than to pay the same amount for 100 rounds of a load I have serious doubts about.

Pat, Josh, Joe, I know you guys love this load, but I'd sure recommend you do some accuracy testing if you're going to continue carrying with it. It may or may not meet minimum accuracy standards in your particular carry gun. If a standard velocity 115 grain JHP is what you want, I'd sure go for the Federal C9BP, which Mr. Camp reviewed thoroughly at:

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/H...Federal115.htm

Let the thrashings begin.

(And to answer any lingering questions, it gags me to pay $40 for 25 rounds of ammo, just like it does you guys.)

JayPee


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