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Old 01-23-2010, 12:54 AM   #1
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Hello,



I went out to buy some .22 ammunition. The place I at which I buy it had closed early, so I went elsewhere. They didn't have what I was looking for, but they did have something called Winchester PDX1 in .45acp.











This stuff screams "quality," unlike the Gold Dots I recently purchased. The round actually feeds easier than does ball, and it boasts impressive ballistics.



I've not yet seen a test done on this; if I get time this weekend I will most definitely shoot some denim-covered water jugs and see how they perform.



I have ignored Winchester far too long, preferring Federal and semi-custom loads like Cor*Bon. I have carried their white box hollowpoint, but only as a stopgap when a newer technology was not readily available.



These rounds are consistent in size according to my calipers, and I have high hopes that they will work well.



Thoughts/experiences?



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Old 01-23-2010, 08:13 AM   #2
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I have PDX1 in 38 SPL and I know that it is accurate. I have not yet seen documentation on it but it is WIN after all. I can only imagine it to be the equal of the REM GS, FED HS and SPR GD. It is difficult not to think so.



What happened on your GDs? I have only had good experience with SPR ammo.
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Old 01-23-2010, 08:23 AM   #3
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I may have been having a Senior Moment, but I thought I remember seeing that the FBI went with the PDX after testing.

Supposedly an upgrade to the Ranger series, which has always come highly recommended (including by Mr. Steve).
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from what I have seen personally at the range, and on other forums with photos, there is very little difference between the PDX 1 and the enhanced Ranger Bonded...



appears to be packaging / marketing only.



weight retention, jacket / core seperation, penetration and expansion are nearly identical.

statistically insignificant.



for that reason I am favoring the Ranger Bonded for the reason it is available in 50 round boxes at a substantially lower cost.



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I am not sure what the current cartridge de jour the FBI uses but I have been told that the rest of the alphabet agencies are allowed to select from whatever the contract allows. In the past I have seen Feds with WIN, REM, SPR and FED nearly interchangeably. Not being a follower of the magic bullet theory of shooting, I still think pretty much any premium ammo will do nicely if you do your part. Still the search for new and improved ammo continues. I remember when SuperVel was the cats meow.
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Old 01-26-2010, 08:32 AM   #6
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Howdy folks,



Mr. Oberstlt, you are correct sir on federal agencies being able to select any round on their contract. But since I used to order the duty ammo for my office, I decided to clarify that statement more a bit too.



At the point we were using the federal contract that was negotiated by the US Secret Service, it was a five year contract. There was a built in price increase each year for the lenght of the contract. Then each agency that "fell under that contract" could take it and select whatever rounds they wished to allow for use by their agency. For us, that meant our ballistics expert at national firearms, would go through the contract and select the various rounds that could be used for both duty and practice purposes.



He would then publish and send via email, a list of those approved rounds to each primary firearms instructor (PFI), whose job it was to actually order the ammo needed for his office. Of course each PFI was limited by the amount of money included in his office's budget for "ammo". Which was also a very generic line item in the budget. Anything that was needed for firearms - spare magazines, slings, sights, parts, etc, also had to be purchased with "ammo funds". So in reality you had to order your accessories early in each budget year, and then spend the rest of your ammo funds before the yearly price increase kicked in.



The federal contract for our Department (which at that point included 4 primary agencies) was a massive document. I actually had our purchasing department in Indianapolis send me a copy of it once. It came in three large envelopes, as it was too huge to be shipped in one or two, lol. That contract covered everything from .22lr to .458 Winchester Magnum rounds.



So yes sir you are correct to say that agencies were allowed to order whatever round they wished to off of the federal contract. However, there were often restrictions/limitations imposed by each agency on what rounds their PFIs could chose from in placing the orders. There were also some restrictions that frankly made no sense to most of us, but they still had to be obeyed. Most SRT teams had assigned snipers, using the Remington 700 PSS rifles, that our national firearms armorers had slicked up a bit before sending to the field for issuance. But PFIs who had those rifles in their office could not order the Federal 168gr BTHP (Sierra) duty round. Only national firearms could order that bullet, and then they would send it out to the various SRT teams.



So as I would often joke with folks when they asked "why"...well you have to remember this is the federal government we are talking about. Logic is not allowed to apply to everything as it should (grinning).



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Gents,



Looks like another excellent choice to pick for carry.



Frankly, I'm getting tired of the "bullet of the week" thing from the manufacturers and will stick with my current hollow points or ball ammo. They work...



As for 168 grain Federal/Sierra Match Kings...they are good rounds, but most are switching to the M118LR load...175 Gr. Sierra Match Kings and not looking back.



Another LE trend development that seems to be following what the military has adopted.



Not really needed though, since the longest recorded LE "kill" is about 408 yards with a .308. The longest .308 kill for the military is 1,350 yards by 1st Sgt Jim Gililland.



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Hi Wes, All,



Test is in the "Terminal Ballistics" sub-forum if you wish to view. Not the performer I expected.



Honestly Wes, I'd like to go to one standard round - but it's hard to do when nobody can get a steady supply of anything!



I long for the days of Federal Hi-Shok on Walmart's shelves. That's probably my favorite round ever - it's old but works.



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Hi Wes, All,



Test is in the "Terminal Ballistics" sub-forum if you wish to view. Not the performer I expected.



Honestly Wes, I'd like to go to one standard round - but it's hard to do when nobody can get a steady supply of anything!



I long for the days of Federal Hi-Shok on Walmart's shelves. That's probably my favorite round ever - it's old but works.



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I was thinking the same thing as I read this. Even in my Newfangled G37 I prefer the 185 Hydrashok. While on leave I tested the HST and I am very impressed. It will go into my lineup of carry rounds and I work with a guy who was involved in two officer shootings with ACP HST loads. Both were one shot stops, one was DOA when medics got on scene.



I like the HST and the fact I can get 50 rounds for the price of 20 hydrashoks, but I still bought a couple boxes because I plan on them being in my lineup for a long time to come.



Like you said, they just work........
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The PDX is basically a bonded version of the well established Ranger-T bullet,



The FBI tested and granted the contract to Winchester for these bullets in the 180gr .40 and 147gr 9mm.
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