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Old 09-16-2011, 06:51 AM   #1
 
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380 Rem. Golden Saber

Seems like a good idea 102gr. at 900-940fps. Better penatration. Corbon to has a DPX 380 load to that may have merit. My wife carrys the Ruger LCP with the Hornadys Critical defence ammo. She picked it out and bought it along with the CCW permit. I fooled around with handloading the 380 in the 1970,s with the ppk/s and colt 1903 pocket auto. With super-vel starting the trend of lite bullets at higher speeds. 4.6 grs. of Unique and the Sierria hp 90gr. bullet. The same thing Corbon loads and sells today. The FMJ ball load has been killing people for over 100years. Used by the Italians&Germans = others in battle&police work.Most HP loads are in the 60-70% one shot stop range in 100,s of documented shootings over decades and FMJ jacketed about 50% same as 38spec. 158swc load. Not a powerhouse or first choice for defence,but still a good bottom line defence rd. I still have a ppk/s 380 that gets little use,but I think with accurate hits it will do the job. Seems most average John Does that carry ccw use the Ruger LCP 380 or copy of that type. And even many seasoned gunmen still do even though they have good full size duty cal. pistols. If I was stuck with using a 380 it would be a Bersa or Walther full size 380 with the longer barrel and more accurate sites ,grip. There is no magic with the 380 or ammo types,but good hits count with any handgun rd. The 102gr. remington golden sabers feed and shoot accurate.
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Old 09-16-2011, 09:12 PM   #2
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Just the other day I saw the Remington ultimate home defense load in .380 acp. It is a 102-gr. jacketed hollow point. My wife has a Ruger LCP that is one of her preferred carry guns because of the constraints caused by feminine attire. She also loads the Hornady critical defense round in hers. She used the LCP to qualify for her Texas CHL, and trains with it frequently. Personally, I greatly prefer a J-frame .38 myself. If I *had* to carry a .380 I'd probably opt for a Bersa made in Argentina or something like a Browning BDA. I think the old tipping-barrel Beretta Cheetah has some really great applications for certain types of shooters. Too bad it isn't made anymore. Frankly, I think if some pistol company could come out with a DAO tipping-barrel pistol based on it in 9x18mm Makarov, that would be one heck of a defensive concealed carry pistol!
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Old 09-17-2011, 09:14 AM   #3
 
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In the LCP short barrel the Critical defence is a better choice. In the longer barrel 380 the Golden Saber will fly faster. I to like the J-frame no-lock 642,but in real life shootings there about the same results. Depends on what platform you like to use. Get-off me five for sure or thinner 7-8 shot faster to reload John Browning designed 380 rd. Alot of men carry the the thin 380 for the same reasons your and my wife carry theres.

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Old 09-18-2011, 07:12 AM   #4
 
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I agree with jeep...642 or SiG P230 lightweight...the 642 conceals easily in the pocket...the SiG P230 should disappear in a holster on the waist...I have had good feed reliability with Critical Defense in .380ACP in my P230...

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Old 09-19-2011, 06:18 PM   #5
 
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Alot of Bmw and Goldwing distance riders carry the Bersa 380 in there jacket pocket. Even if they have a bigger 9mm,40 or 45 on there belt. The belt gun is hard to get at in the Motercycle jackets and riding pants. Back in the horse days pommel saddle rigs holding a pair of sixguns was practice hanging on the pommel,( A pair of 1911 or HP,s would be the answer today!!). I,m gonna start loading a 100gr. hard cast flat-tip,( by rimrock bullets) at 1150fps-1200fps for the 380,s. Raking shots and car doors would be no problem with this bullet to reach the vitals of the bad perps. Sharp tissue cutting flat-tip damage and skull bite bone smashing ,spine breaking shutdowns. Yes this bullet will perform where 88 -90 gr. HP at 900fps will not make it to the boiler room nerve centers. s!

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"Sharp tissue cutting flat tip damage and skull bite bone smashing, spine breaking shutdowns." There you go again, Jeep, with that most vivid language. I have never heard of such a .380 round loaded as you describe. Is there one so loaded that is commercially available? I guess I wouldn't feel as under-armed with such a load as I do now when carrying my LCP with the 70 grain Cor-bon power points. Clothing restraints is the precise reason I have it as opposed to something larger and more powerful fearing above all that I will print.

Some on this forum have suggested heavier bullets in both hollow point and ball configurations. With one of the small .380's I guess I also fear a failure to feed as if being under-powered were not enough. Have you tried those flat-tip rimrock bullets out of an LCP before? I would also think they would kick like a Georgia mule loaded to that velocity. Then again, I know very little about reloading. When you do this, I would love to see a range report about it. It sure sounds like a great idea.
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Yes www. Buffaloebore Bullets.com loads this 100 gr. hardcast flat-tip with the rimrock bullet for about $25 for 20. Yes its for real. I will load my own the bullets are $39 for 500 + shipping about $15. Thanks for asking asking. My wife has a LCP when I have time after hunting next month I will try them in her Ruger. According to there reviews of this ammo on the buffaloebore bullet site it feeds in the LCP fine. It works good in my PPKS with no leading. The bullets are hardcast. Its cheaper to load your own then you have plenty of practice ammo to. But $25 for 20 is the going tax on Hi-performance ammo.

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Thanks for the information about this round Jeep. I will check out their website ASAP.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:35 PM   #9
 
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Ray are you a ham operater? Your handle is very ham like. My HF is down till I string a new Diopole wire.
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Well Jeep I've been called a "ham" as well as 'turkey', 'weenie', 'chicken' and a host of other choice morsels I won't mention. But, no, I'm not into ham radio, although I wish I were. "RomeoFoxtrot" is an old Army expression -- from the phonetic alphabet for R & F but not specifying what the R and F actually mean (although it has to do with romance between rats) -- denoting a situation that has become confused and very much out-of-hand. That's the way I feel a good 3/4 of the time.
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