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Old 01-15-2012, 09:23 PM   #1
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Tell Me About the 90194 Lee Precision Rifle Charging Die, Please!

Hello,

Been looking at the Lee rifle charging die.

I like my disk powder thrower and wouldn't mind using it on rifles. I'd of course get a double disk conversion. Might even see if I could convert it to three disks... seems simple enough to do.

Anyway, the rub comes here: I load for the 7.62x54R and the 7.92x57j/js (figured out the Gew88/05 can take starting loads with 0.323" bullets).

Typical charge is 45 grains of Varget or whatever. Just in that range.

I figure that I could do two throws and come close enough for plinking ammo. As it stands, I charge off-press using a powder thrower and manually weighing each charge. (I know, but I'm OCD like that).

The rifle charging die lists dimensional limitations. However, it would seem to me that for a longer length case, anyway, it could be backed out of the hole a bit.

Anyone have experience with these? What are their real limits as opposed to their published limits?

Thanks,

Josh
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:23 AM   #2
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As you may recall, I am one of the stalwart fans of Lee Precision products and use their progressive presses above any other on the market. They are cheap and work well enough to keep me in large quantities of pistol ammo that is sure fire and accurate.

However, I have evaluated the Lee automatic powder systems enough to know they are not sufficient to properly throw extruded rifle powders such as IMR. I recommend against them. You may be able to get another measure adapted to the die but I would not use the Lee measures.

I make thousands of rounds of pistol ammo each year on Lee LoadMasters and 1000s. I have modified them so that the priming is done separately but loading for rifles is done one at a time on a nasty old RCBS Rock Chucker and a Lyman #55 measure. You have to be very careful with 40 grains of powder.

I have tried the thru the die systems for rifle and simply don't trust them to throw consistently. Works in pistols with ball powder but the variance is too great with IMR.
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Old 01-16-2012, 10:55 AM   #3
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Thank you, Lt.

While I have you on here, can you recommend a good metering powder? I prefer a spherical ball type like the AA pistol powders. Seems to me miniature BBs would do best.

I'm thinking BL-C(2) would be pretty awesome for this.

Looks like it takes more powder to move things the bullet the same speed, but that's not a huge concern.

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Josh, I mainly use the nasty cheap old Lee Auto Powder Measures for pistols and stick to WW231.

For rifles (I only load for two calibers), I have a lifetime supply of IMR 4895. I have not used any more modern powders such as Varget or any of that.
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