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Old 06-27-2010, 02:37 AM   #1
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Is Lube Really Necessary?

Hello,



I've run across a few places on the internet (I know... I know...) that say lubing isn't strictly necessary for lead bullets.



The reasoning is that, if the bullet is undersized, there will be leading regardless, and if the bullet is sized correctly, leading will not occur.



Cited on one page is "Norm Johnson," who "is shooting un-lubricated revolver bullets, with good accuracy and no leading."



Given that lead is used as a lubricant in some non-shooting applications, this does sort of make sense.



What do you all make of this?



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Old 06-27-2010, 09:56 AM   #2
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Hello Josh. I think the hardness of the lead would be a factor in how much fouling you would have. I use lube with lead bullets. I've helped a friend clean his Ruger .44 that was using lead bullets with no lube and the rifling was so heavy with lead it took forever to clean it. (He wasn't the best at cleaning after each range session. He would just wipe it down. ::))



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Old 06-27-2010, 10:03 PM   #3
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"He wasn't the best at cleaning after each range session. He would just wipe it down."



Sounds like a wretchedly miserable cleaning experience in the making.





I've long wondered what would happen shooting unlubed bullets. Not enough to submit to testing them.



Hey Josh, why don't you try it and get back to us.
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:40 AM   #4
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I read articles on casting for years before doing it and the best how-to article I've seen yet came from the Gun Digest Book of 9mm from about 1986. That's an unlikely source, but since it was written by one of my favorites, the late Dean Grennell, isn't that surprising.

In that article, he writes about asking himself the same question about 50 years ago. He tried it for something like six or twelve rounds...then spent the next week cleaning the gun.

Just reading that was enough to scare me away from even thinking about it.



With tumble lubing being so easy and fairly cheap, I see no reason not to lube.



There were the old Harvey Prot-X bullets that used no conventional lube. They used a zinc washer. Lyman made the moulds, and I assume sold the washers. The washer was dropped into the mould in a certain place where a groove held it, the mould was closed, then lead alloy poured. When opened, the bullet that came out had the zinc washer held to it's base with a "rivet" of lead that passed through it's center hole. The bullet sides were straight and smooth with no place for lube, and were shaped a lot like the old Speer jacketed SWC bullets they made for a long time.

I've never seen one of the Harvey bullets except in pictures. Supposedly they worked, but were a pain to use from fiddling around placing a washer just right in a hot mould every cast. Being single cavity only (I think) that would be some slow casting.

The moulds show up on eBay now and then, but sell pretty high. Even if one had the mould, where would they get zinc washers? They weren't common zinc-plated steel washers from the hardware store, but actually constructed from zinc and were sized to the appropriate caliber.
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:43 PM   #5
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Mr. Smith, Unless you like cleaning lead out of your barrel all day, then don't go over about 1,000 fps with lead bullets that are lubed.At least run a few fmj bullets after you finish with the lead ones.Gas checks work perfectly and are easy to use. Remember that the base of the bullet melts from the fire so the gas checks prevent leading almost totally. Hot barrels and soft bullets contribute. I size my 45's bullets .451 and use 185 gr. trunucated cone style. Good luck, Bill p.s. I get free phone so feel free to p.m. me your number if I can help
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Handloading 101(60+ years ago).Somebody here has way,way too much free time on their hands.Will
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