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Old 12-22-2007, 03:13 PM   #1
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I have to give my yearly kudo for the powder in 9mm and 40. Clean and great.
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Old 01-01-2008, 11:14 AM   #2
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I haven't used it much in pistol rounds.



I did use it in 12 gauge when I shot trap for a year or two. It seemed to give a softer recoil impulse than similar powders. The recoil was there, but it felt spread out over a longer period.



I tried some PB this summer in 9mm 115 grain loads and it also had a different recoil than my "usual" powders. The loads I tried were a little light and needed increased, but recoil was even milder than I expected. They didn't feel at all like my carry loads, so I didn't pursue it further. I could see it being something an IDPA shoter would like.

I should experiment a little more just for fun.
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Old 01-05-2008, 05:48 AM   #3
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I've been using PB for years for the .32 S&W long using the HBWC. This round takes a small charge and the PB meters better than other powders. With my 38 and 45 I've been using Bullseye for years. Now that I'm shooting Action Revolver, I like using PB because it keeps the cylinder cleaner for faster reloads. I actually use reprints from around the 60's to find reloading info because it just dos'nt get the attention that other powders get.
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Old 01-05-2008, 06:09 AM   #4
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I also want to mention, with reloading with PB or any other powder. I found that checking fired rounds with a Chronograph is very important. Using Factory ammo as a baseline for Velocity and Standard Deviation first with the Chrony, Then you can bring your reload Up to where you want. Many Action shooting games use Power Factors and using reloading manuals usually puts you lower than you think. Whenever you think your Chrony is lying, shoot factory ammo to see if you have a problem. I was amazed how dead on consistant Winchester White Box fron Wal-Mart was fired out of a Glock 19.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:50 PM   #5
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I guess I'm the fly-in-the-ointment, curmudgeonly old-timer who has to complain about the old days when we used to carry onions in our belts (as was the fashion in those days), but PB sucks in my opinion -- these days, that is.



When DuPont made it, I loved it. It was one of the best powders one could use in the 9 mm or the .45 ACP.



The current maker has changed the recipe. Today's PB is FILTHY compared to my old DuPont PB. I know because I've got examples of both on hand and have tested them side-by-side.



On the other hand, I used to avoid Unique because it used to be a "dirty" powder. My new batches of that powder are a pure delight.



Likewise, I used to like DuPont's SR-7625 for both the 9 and the 45. Today, I wouldn't touch it with John Holmes' long-dead you-know-what.



Just my opinion, of course.



I have found the new Hodgdon HP-38 an absolute delight for a ton of loads from the 9 mm up to the .45 ACP and even medium loads for my Colt SAA in .45 Colt. It's very efficient, burns very cleanly and gives consistent results, even in the cavernous .45 Colt case (6.5 grains with a 255 gr. Keith lead SWC).



I'm a lead bullet guy by nature and history, but you can still load VERY respectable loads with jacketed bullets in the 9 and the 45 with this powder.



BTW, my info tells me that Hodgdon's HP-38 is actually manufacturerd by Winchester (Olin, whoever). It's a close kissing cousin to W-296, but does burn a bit slower.



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HP38=WW231 not 296
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Old 11-10-2008, 10:45 PM   #7
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HP38=WW231 not 296


I guess the onion as I was carrying in my belt (as used to be the fashion in my day) was causing my eyes to tear up or something.



I knew what I was talking about at any rate, but God help anyone trying to substitue 296 data for HP-38! (That wouldn't work out well to anyone's satisfaction -- except maybe some grave-robbing, blood-sucking lawyer!)



I've actually never used Winchester powders. I was always a Hercules (Bullseye, Unique and 2400) and DuPont (SR-7625, PB and IMR-3031) guy with a smidgen of Hodgdon here and there (mostly H-110).



Thanks for setting me straight on that one!



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Old 02-04-2009, 09:07 PM   #8
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I like the new PB. But we each choose our own.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:56 AM   #9
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WW231 is fluffy enough that if I double one, it spills out of the case. It measures nice and burns clean enough for me. The Hercules powders do not measure well in my Lee Perfect Powder Measures. For rifles, I got a lifetime supply of pulled IMR4895. It throws nicely in the old Lyman #55. The only odd thing I have is Trail Boss for my 41 Mag. It is very, very, very fluffy and allows me to keep the velocity down to 850 fps for a 210 SWC target load.
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