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Old 01-07-2005, 12:08 PM   #1
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Do any of you have any strong preference for one of these brands of plated bullets over the other ? Or are they pretty comparable ?

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Old 01-07-2005, 12:44 PM   #2
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Hello. I've shot more than a few Rainiers but have not shot the Berry brand. I'm told that the Berry has thicker plating and have seen it recommended over the Rainier. Years ago I bought many of the Rainiers and while they're "OK", I've not seen too much to recommend them as anything special. Some of my cast bullet loads shoot quite a bit better.



Were I trying plated bullets, I might buy a couple of hundred Berry bullets and see how they shoot.



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Old 01-07-2005, 01:39 PM   #3
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I'm asking because I just loaded and tried my first few hundred Berry's the other day. I was surprised at how much more accurate they were than factory FMJ. I was just trying to mimic standard hardball. My load was:



230gr plated RN (Berry's)

5.7gr W231

0.469" crimp

OAL= 1.258"



One difference is that the Berry's are supposed to be 0.452" in diameter and the Rainiers are 0.451". I'm wondering if the extra thousandth would improve accuracy (most cast lead 230gr I see are also 0.452").
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Old 01-07-2005, 01:43 PM   #4
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Hello. It very well might. Thanks for the information on Berry's plated bullets.



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Old 01-08-2005, 04:42 AM   #5
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In my1911's Berry's are far more accurate than Rainier's. Just my $.02 cent's worth.
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Old 01-14-2005, 09:17 PM   #6
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Berry's vs. Rainier

I have probably reloaded and shot 10,000 Berry bullets in 9mm, 38 spec and 45acp and have been pleased with all. No experience with Rainer.
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Have shot both...I started with Rainers..but local place has Berrys and Ive shot some but as a much as Rainers! I cant say Ive seen that much difference.

I have read that berrys are preferable..but if its accuracy one wants a simple grouping by weight and lil powder trickling of each load evens most things out!
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I am looking at replicating a .357 Sig load using the Berry 124 gr FP. I noticed on their website they don't recommend going over 1200 fps with their bullets. Does anybody have any experience with these bullets and can they handle the 1250 fps range? This is about 100 fps slower than factory ammo but I hope it will give a more realistic "feel" than the 1150 fps lead load that I am using at this time. Thanks in advance.
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Experience with 1250+? Yep ... I have used Berry's bullets in MANY calibers but the 357, 10mm, and 460 Rowland for which I have loaded them all take the game to the far side of 1250 ...



The issue with these is that the plating could be stripped right off of the lead if the speed gets too high. What I normally do is produce the load I want and test fire it into a target placed about 4 feet in front of the barrel. I clean the barrel after each shot to check for flakes of copper plating. What you will likely notice is that eventually you reach a speed where there are tiny little perforations (usually slices) around the primary bullet hole that are caused by the plating flying through the paper. I am certain that the speed at which this will occur varies from caliber to caliber and from barrel to barrel. I have never seen this separation at speeds less than about 1350fps, so I would suspect that 1250 is not a problem, but I would still shoot a bunch through YOUR pistol to verify. Since the 10mm and the 460 both beg to run faster than 1350, I have switched to Precision's Black Bullets and have had not problems with them even in the 1500+ range on the 460.



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Thanks to all for the info in this thread . . . I loaded 100 rnds of Ranier DEWCs this weekend (I'm playing with hot-loaded WCs for defensive loads for snubs a la Cirillo, will chrono them soon) and found them to be wonderfully uniform and easy to load. Can't report on shooting them yet, though.



But, based on this thread, I've just ordered 250 rnds of Berry's DEWCs from Cabelas . . . I'll load them up with the same loads and try to take them out on the same day as the Raniers.
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