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Old 03-07-2012, 11:05 PM   #1
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Remington 700 trigger

I have a 700 (.243 cal) purchased around 1980 and have recently had two instances of the rifle firing off when I push the safety forward. First time was at the range and the rifle was pointed downrange. However, the second time was in my workshop. Fortunately, it is a brick structure and (extremely fortunately) there was no penetration. These triggers are known to be faulty and I question whether or not to have a gunsmith rework the Remington trigger or simply replace it with a Timney. I'm not sure I would trust the original trigger assembly regardless of what the gunsmith could do to repair or rebuild. Remington is supposedly aware of this problem since CBS did a documentary on it some years ago. Any advice muchly appreciated.
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:46 AM   #2
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I would call REM and see what they say. You would have a worn or broken part. I have been around 700 for many years and despite the CBS expose, never observed this problem. But, guns are mechanical and mechanical things can fail.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:46 AM   #3
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Hello Jonbp and welcome to the forum. Brownells has Rem 700 triggers. They also have some videos on it.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=0...em_700_trigger

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Old 03-08-2012, 05:00 PM   #4
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I'm in a similar "boat". I also have a 700 in 7mm Rem. mag., that I bought around 1980. Like you I've thought about changing out the trigger but for a slightly different reason. I've probably not put more than 700 or 800 rounds through it as I only shoot it a few rounds in the off season and then just before deer season, more to check zero than anything else.

Two years ago when I was coming out of the field, I pulled the bolt back to eject the cartridge. The gun went off as I was doing this. Happened again one other time and I've not shot it since... I just don't trust it. Fortunately I obey the rules of handling firearms and all that happened was a big hole in the dirt. Anyway I've always assumed it was a trigger related problem especially since the trigger is a known problem.

Just my 2 cents worth but my only problem with sending it back to Remington (even if they'll fix it under some kind or recall) is that shipping would cost more than paying for and dropping in a Timney. It appears to be something I could do myself even with my limited gunsmithing knowledge.
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Muchly appreciate all the responses, guys. I probably have not fired 25-30 rounds through this rifle and have never had this occur prior to the recent episode. I am thinking it is probably a lubrication/cleaning problem as it has been in the storage for about ten years without a thorough clean and lube. However, that being said, I have difficulty trusting a trigger that can allow a firing by just taking off the safety. Wonder how many individuals have been shot due to this malfunction and the whole thing chalked up to irresponsible gun handling by the shooter? I suspect a good class action lawyer would be very interested. Anyway, I have decided to simply install a Timney trigger and hope the problem is not involved with the bolt and firing pin mechanics. Will take it to a gunsmith next week and discuss advice/solutions. Again, sincere thanks for excellent feedback. Great site!
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:29 PM   #6
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Missed the first post earlier.

Welcome!

It is indeed a great group here.


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Old 03-08-2012, 08:56 PM   #7
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Gents,

Anything mechanical fails occasionally. It's hard to understand failure of the Rem 700 triggers without the "full story" behind each.

I've been using them for many years and have had one failure in a Rem 700 I purchased for the action. The trigger was so dirty with crud and varnish that when you pulled the trigger the firing pin fell...about 1/2 second later!

Disassembly, cleaning, and tuning brought the trigger back to full function.

I'll be frank. The "old" trigger is what the Marines use in the M40 series and always have. NO issues with them. Remington uses this trigger in their Law Enforcement/Tactical Rifles to this day. Think they'd do that with a faulty trigger? Not likely.

I've heard the horror stories, but in all my years of shooting Remingtons have yet to see one that wasn't caused by operator abuse, "bubba" tuning, or lack of maintenance. YMMV...

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Old 03-08-2012, 11:13 PM   #8
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I can assure you I am meticulous with cleaning and lubricating my firearms. Of the 6 pistols, 2 revolvers, 3 rifles and 2 shotguns that I own, I've never had anything like what I described happen to me. I have made no alterations or adjustments to my 700... it is as it came from the factory when I bought it back in the early 80s.

When what I described happened the second time I did quite a bit of research about it and found a lot of anti gun zealots jumping on the anti Remington 700 band wagon. However, the Marines did have problems. Not many and user error may or may not, have been the problem. Never the less, triggers were replaced. Below is a link to Marine documents supporting this. This particular website does seem to have a sort of vendetta against Remington 700s in particular but the Marine documents do lend some credence to trigger problems. Scroll about 1/3 of the way down for a link to those Marine documents.

http://randywakeman.com/Remington_Under_Fire.htm

Having said that, my 700 is a wonderful rifle to own. Sub 1 inch groups at 100 yards are the norm. I wouldn't sell it for anything.

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Old 03-09-2012, 08:17 PM   #9
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Les,

Thanks for the link. Some of that is new data. I retired from the Marines in '94.

The Rem 700 trigger is emminently tunable. If you know what you're doing and are careful. Maintenance plays a role.

Is it perfect? Probably not, but It's worked well for this old jarhead.

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Old 03-09-2012, 10:27 PM   #10
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jonbp, thanks for starting this thread. I haven't shot my 700 in a couple of years and now you've got me in the mood. I think I'll shortly being doing the same as you and installing a new trigger assembly (Timney). I'm going to try doing this myself. It looks to be a pretty straight forward installation if you have a few basic tools and a little mechanical sense to go along with it. If anyone here has installed one of these any installation tips/advice would be appreciated.

It seems to me that with your 700 the simple act of clicking off the safety is enough to jar the trigger into firing, maybe not everytime but then once is enough. My guess is that when I do the same it needs a little bit more to do the same. Me raising the bolt to eject the cartridge is that little bit more. Wish I was enough of a gunsmith to figure it out.

Weshowe, after I got to work this morning I re-read my post and thought "geeze, hope he doesn't take my post as me trying to stir up the proverbial manure and start something". Glad you didn't take it that way!

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