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Old 12-25-2012, 06:22 PM   #21
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Hello,

Back in '01 or '02 when I first started seeing the FNH-USA imported HP's, they were not finished as nicely as the Browning marked HP's and had FABRIQUE NATIONALE HERSTAL BELGIQUE down the L.H. side of the slide and MADE IN BELGIUM on the R.H. side just ahead of the ejection port (same location as The Browning's).

Then FN started finishing their FNH-USA HP's to the higer level we expect & want. They also started useing the FN Oval roll mark (which is now applied to their entire FNH-USA line), and they applied it in a coupla different locations before settling on the L.H. side.

The early FNH-USA imported HP's had black plastic grip panels that were shaped like the factory wood grip panels and the L.H. grip panel had the Lanyard cut-out even thou they weren't equipped with lanyards.

Also, just because the FNH imported HP's didn't say Assembled in Portugal doesn't mean they weren't. Stop and think about it, why would FN "The Only Maker" of The FN-Browning High Power have the Browning marked HP's Assembled in Portugal, but not, the FN marked HP's thats coming off the same machine's in the same department. I believe theres something in the U.S. import law that requires Browning (or any other importer for that matter) to state the firearms point of assembly if different form the country of manufacture. I don't think the assembly point applies to the "firearm makers" that import their "own product" under their own name. For example, the Browning marked HP's on the international market don't mention Portugal, the R.H. roll mark read's. BROWNING S.A. with MADE IN BELGIUM under it. FN has lots of roll marks for the HP in their tool room, and I doubt very seriously that the pistols are assembled in different locations depending on which set of roll marks it receives. This doen't mean that every single HP regardless of roll marks is totally assembled in Portugal either. I'm aware that some fitting is done at FN, and I "think" The Renaissance HP's along with some special run's of HP's made to certain specs, ie. No Magazine Disconnect, No Firing Pin Block, MK3 Style Single-Side Safety and Competition Sear Lever are totally assembled at FN (and yes, I know for a fact that FN does this for certain accounts). Actually back in '03 or '04 an FN Weapons Designer told me that some of the HP's were totally made, fitted & assembled at FN in Herstal so soldiers in the field could mix & match parts when needed without problems in order to keep the pistols going when (or if) some broke down.

FWIW: My favorite roll marked FN HP's are the one's that simply say's FABRIQUE NATIONALE HERSTAL BELGIQUE down the L.H. side of the slide and MADE IN BELGIUM on the R.H. side just ahead of the ejection port. BTW: I love the FN oval logo - but for some reason, I just haven't warmed-up to it being on the HP's slide, but I do like the serial number to be on the slide, barrel & frame - because I often have several HP's dissembled at the same time and I like keeping the slides, barrels & frames together as their worn in.
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Old 12-25-2012, 08:51 PM   #22
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Bob:

I agree completely in regard to your analysis of the hi power geography. I have seen some different variations on some of those early 2000 vintage fnh guns though. On both the ones I own and the ones I have seen photos of.

All three of mine were from the 2003 model year. The first two were blue. One was 9mm sfs and the other was 40 conventional. Their round logos were on the right side of the slide. These were equipped with wood grips like their browning marked polished blue cousins. The third 2003 was 9 mil conventional but epoxy and fnh roll marked on the left. The epoxy came with the lanyard cleared plastic military panels. In the 2003 year, I seem to see the mark on the right on blue and on the left on epoxy. These were South Carolina marked. I have seen others from earlier without the mark at all. Some of the earliest were marked fnmi Virginia on the leading edge of the left of the slide.
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:53 AM   #23
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And then they wouldn't sell because of that large FNH roll mark, and S.C. import mark. The purist's (and myself) wanted no part of this generic to us Browning Hi-Power. Little did we know at the time how pure this beautiful firearm was. Dealers were selling them for $399 or less just to get them to move. And they still sat while we debated was this FNH Hi-Power a real Hi-Power? Then they were gone....... I should of bought them all up if I knew now what I didn't know then. Amazing.

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Old 12-26-2012, 10:33 AM   #24
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I know full well what you say wags. Hind sight is 20/20.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:35 PM   #25
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Personally, I MUCH prefer a FN marked example of a Hi Power as opposed to a Browning one. To my mind, Browning is just another importer and a rather mediocre one at that.
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... The purist's (and myself) wanted no part of this generic to us Browning Hi-Power. Little did we know at the time how pure this beautiful firearm was. ...
There were voices in the wilderness, but few would listen. Stephen and I marvelled at how snobbish so many gun owners were about the FNs.
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There were voices in the wilderness, but few would listen. Stephen and I marvelled at how snobbish so many gun owners were about the FNs.
Can I raise my hand up abninftr in shame since I fell into that category at the time. I remember the debates on the old website like it was yesterday.
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No need for shame. Two Hail Marys and one Our Father and all is forgiven.
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