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Old 02-02-2012, 05:53 PM   #11
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I have the Garthwaite trigger on my BHP Mark III. It lightened my trigger pull by 1.3 pounds, due to the lower position that it allows me to hold my finger, creating more leverage.

You'll definitely need to file the stop on the trigger down to get your gun to fire, but that is quite easy. I consider that a good feature of the trigger design, so that you end up with a trigger that is perfectly adjusted to your gun and trigger pull preferences. Just be sure to file it in very small increments, testing it in the gun after each attempt, until you get it just right.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:49 AM   #12
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I mod'ed an Inglis BHP trigger with the mag disconnect. I straightened the trigger face, but I also shortened the lever too..

The trigger feels more natural now than with the curve of the original.

I have only dry fire it at this time.



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Old 02-03-2012, 04:50 PM   #13
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Thanks to all who have responded. At the moment I am leaning towards the Garthwaite trigger, just to see how it differs from the C&S.
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Old 02-03-2012, 05:06 PM   #14
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Thanks to all who have responded. At the moment I am leaning towards the Garthwaite trigger, just to see how it differs from the C&S.
If you are going to shoot IDPA with the BHP, like the C&S trigger, the Garthwaite unit has no provision for a mag disconnect and isn't legal in any division.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:50 AM   #15
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I shoot a BHP in IDPA and while it is illegal to tamper with any safety device, IDPA HQ has never ruled on a "magazine disconnect" as a safety. Additionally, there appear to be some BHPs that did not have magazine disconnects installed. Thus far I have not had any issues at major matches.
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I usually shoot a BHP at IDPA matches and my observation is that most SOs don't really know what the official view is on mag disconnects anyway. Some have their own idea though.
And I can see why.
IDPA did come out a few years ago and say a mag disconnect on a Browning was a "safety" because it is called that in Browning's manual. Then some people questioned that after producing versions of manuals that do not call it a safety, along with proof that not all HiPowers were made with mag disconnects. I pointed out plenty of gun manuals say not to keep a loaded chamber either, and asked if we were going to start every stage with empty chambers in those guns. The last I knew, IDPA kinda backed off from "The BHP Question" and it was no more decided than it had been. I get the impression people are afraid to push it for further clarification for fear they will take the easy way and say it has to be there, period.

I have mostly shot at the same three places since joining IDPA, and have SOd at two of those, so know most of the SOs and match directors. Over those years, they have either seen or heard of my pitch on this. I always bring a spare gun, and the spare has a mag disconnect while the one I usually carry and shoot does not. I have offered to show them the difference inside, to show that the one does not even have a provision for it. A few will know that the C&S trigger has no disconnect provision, but they also know the C&S is a wide trigger, but the triggers on the two examples I have are the same width. That has been enough to satisfy them so far.

Or you can just stick a finger or pen up the magwell every time you drop the hammer to show clear. I had got in the habit of doing that out of necessity when I shot my old one, so did it for a long time later no matter which BHP I was using. More often than not, the gun didn't have a disconnect, but nobody asked.
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I shoot a BHP in IDPA and while it is illegal to tamper with any safety device, IDPA HQ has never ruled on a "magazine disconnect" as a safety. Additionally, there appear to be some BHPs that did not have magazine disconnects installed. Thus far I have not had any issues at major matches.
Actually they did, about 3 years ago and it's posted on IDPAYuko forum, you'll have to seach for it.

The only BHP made without the mag disconnect was the WW2 units after Germany took over the FN factory in Belgium, and they have the Waffenampt stamp on them. Those stamped BHP's are legal in IDPA.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:34 PM   #18
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I have fairly small hands and the 'finger up the magwell' works for me on post-1950 guns. Earlier ones have a shorter 'shoe' on the disconnect pad that I can't reach.

What also works fine is to use an old stripped magazine tube.


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The only BHP made without the mag disconnect was the WW2 units after Germany took over the FN factory in Belgium, and they have the Waffenampt stamp on them. Those stamped BHP's are legal in IDPA.
There was a special run about six years ago that didn't have the disconnect - the special run was for an elite fighting group overseas, and I'm sure there have been many other non-cataloged High Power's made over the years that didn't have the un-needed disconnect.

IDPA doesn't have a clue what has came out of FN's doors.
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Actually they did, about 3 years ago and it's posted on IDPAYuko forum, you'll have to seach for it.

The only BHP made without the mag disconnect was the WW2 units after Germany took over the FN factory in Belgium, and they have the Waffenampt stamp on them. Those stamped BHP's are legal in IDPA.
Yeah, they were all gung ho about enforcing that, and based it all on Browning owner's manuals calling it a magazine safety in the parts breakdown. Their enthusiasm waned after being shown Browning manuals that did not call it a safety, and manuals for other guns that advised keeping the chamber empty and being asked if that would be the basis for how things were to be done there too.
But to this day, plenty of people in all levels of IDPA only know about the first part. It's kinda like a newspaper printing a front page story on Sunday with errors, then running a retraction/correction three days later on page 34. Everybody knows the first part.

And as Bob said, that about the Nazi HPs being the only ones without a mag disconnect is simply not true. The one I use in matches was made in 2003 (I think 2003- within the last 10 years anyway), and it came with a trigger having no place for the magazine disconnect.
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