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Old 10-04-2011, 12:35 PM   #1
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Kareen HP

A few days ago I posted about a Israeli made HP clone pistol... Given that the price was right I bought one... and got it today... This was a new brand and gun to me I thought I'd share...

I probably don't do a very good job of hiding the fact I like the Browning/FN designed High Power pistol a lot...

The HP has been cloned quite a bit, and I been lucky enough to get a few of the clones to show with my real Browning and FN HPs... A couple of days ago I saw something I had not seen before... a domestically produced HP from Israel. A fascinating gun... I was not able to find out a lot about the gun, but I have been given several stories about the guns... One that they were simply clones made in Israel... certainly not impossible... another that they were made from parts made in Israel (apparently Israel made parts domestically for the many HPs they had bought over the years) on frames and slides made by FEG in Hungary... also possible I suppose... the Izzys certainly bought quite a number of FEG HPs for police (and presumably military) use... anyway, I may never know, but the gun is interesting...

Here are a few pix...



The gun is certainly not a thing of beauty... apparently is was parkerized in recent years... the gun gives lots of appearances of being heavily used... having pitting in the tight to clean areas around the grips on the side toward the body when carried (and thus most exposed to moisture etc.)



The stocks are black textured plastic with Kareen molded in the plastic... I have no idea what Kareen might be... for all I know it may be the Hebrew work for "knock off" or "copy." The right stock is considerably more worn than the left... typical of carry by a right handed shooter.

The right side is plain except for "Cal. 9mm Parabellum" roll stamped on the right of the slide. The S/n is on the front strap as as many FN HPs.



The left side has the manufacturers markings "JO Israel Arms Limited" and below that "KAREEN"



Finally the muzzle is pure late model FN type... the gun also sports an external extractor and "Half Dime" type front sight vice the dove tail front sight.



Anyway, I thought it was an interesting old gun, and the price was very right too...

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Old 10-04-2011, 01:37 PM   #2
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Looks quite serviceable to me. How does she shoot?
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Old 10-04-2011, 03:18 PM   #3
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Thanks for the info and photos. I, also, have been considering one of these Hi Powers, as the price is certainly right. I was thinking of using one as a "project gun", if the quality was there to begin with. I hope that you take it to the range, and give us a report.
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Well, "Kareen" doesn't mean "knock off", or anything else in Hebrew for that matter. It is the name of Jaacov Schnitman's granddaughter. He also tried to produce/assemble the Yugoslavian clone of the Sig-226 in Israel, and called it the "Gal", the name of his grandson.
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Very interesting Chuck. She does not look rough, she has character. Wish she could talk.
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Nice pro look, for sure.

JonnyC, can you provide us some more infos about these Kareen: domestic Israeli product or local assembly of FEG frames/slides?

When I hear about clones, I always ask myself who makes the main parts? Except for a massive production, it isn't profitable to tool for frames and slides, even with CNC mills. Especially when you consider that your clones will sell for a fraction only of the original's price...

By the way, where could be the sources for HP frames/slides today? FEG has stopped production a few years ago. There was a production line in India for Inglis clones, but who knows what they are doing now. What's left? Philippina probably, China maybe...

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Photo Added Plus Info

A friend on another board told me that some of the Kareen pistols had a Star of David stamped on the lower locking lug... apparently this was not on all but at least some of the guns.

So... I decided to take a look on mine and found it did indeed have a star...



This is an interesting little bit of information to me... so I thought I'd share it.

Also, I did some research on the Kareen... there is some disagreement on the background of the gun... some sources say it is entirely made in Israel, others say it is entirely FEG made and just finished in Israel while others say it was made with FEG frames and slides using Israeli parts (I'm told there was existent tooling in Israel to make spare parts for the large numbers of HPs in use there already... It is also interesting to note, that like FEG there were two versions of the Kareen, one being a DA/SA like the later FEGS.

I'm still researching so something else may turn up...

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There is no DA/SA version of the Kareen that I know of. There is the standard BHP clone, and the MkII with a hooked trigger guard and beaver tail. Can you provide some info on this DA/SA variation?
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Looking at the above photo I noticed there is a distinct difference to the Kareen, at least this one, that I hadn't noticed before. Look at the bottom of the front strap. Notice that it flares out? The FN/Browning/Inglis/FEG models don't.

The origin version I heard when I worked in the industry was that the frames and slides were made by FEG while the internals were Israeli made. Now, given the above physical difference I can believe that they may have been completely Israeli made. At least that one.
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It is mentioned in an article I found researching the model of gun... basically it was supposed to be similar to the late production FEG guns.

If you can't find it in a search, I'll try to help out...

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There is no DA/SA version of the Kareen that I know of. There is the standard BHP clone, and the MkII with a hooked trigger guard and beaver tail. Can you provide some info on this DA/SA variation?
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