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Old 12-02-2010, 09:16 PM   #1
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I posted this on a different forum but did not get a lot of feedback. Hoping for more success here.



I purchased this yesterday, a FEG PJK-9HP. My question is what FEG model it is. I've read and re-read JayPee's blog and what I can gather, it appears to be a P9. However, even though it has the smaller safety, it has the slider unlock from a P9M. The action in Browning. Hoping someone can assist me with identifying the actual FEG model that my new (to me) high power is. Thanks in advance for any replies.











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Old 12-02-2010, 10:19 PM   #2
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Hi Oathkeeper, I think we can help, and welcome to the forum.



Your PJK 9HP was known to the factory as the P9M, or P9 "Modified". The modification was the adoption of a non-FN/BHP slide stop setup designed by FEG. And you indeed have the FN/BHP operating system. I think you're confused because of the presence of the "newer" slide stop system but also with the "older" narrow sights and "older" small safety lever, so I'll try to explain that.



After studying these guns for several years I've concluded that FEG operated much like the American pistolmakers of the late 1800's in that they presented the buyer with a catalog of features and would build a production run with any features the buyer wanted as long as he ordered enough of them. This is why you will see later models with early, small safety levers and narrow sights, and you'll also see them with the older BHP slide stop, but with the "newer" extended safety and three dot sights. Like I said in the article, "Who's on first, what's on second?



In other words, the features on the gun do not necessarily establish that it was an early gun or a later one. I tend to believe that the "Modified" FEG slide stop was introduced to buyers very early in the gun's history, and that the older BHP slide stop was still being provided in the later guns. The Charles Daly Hi-Power is an example of an early P9 being made very late in the gun's history.



As to whether your gun is a Hi-Power or not, strictly speaking the "Modified" slide stop makes it a Hi-Power "style" pistol rather than a true clone because the modified slide stop is a departure from the Browning/Saive design. BUT, that doesn't mean it isn't a darn good gun. It certainly is, and the modified slide stop really isn't that big of a change in the gun's overall design. I've owned one like yours and it is a real sweetheart. Mine has the three dot sights and longer safety lever, but it's nonetheless a P9M just like yours. Here's a photo of it:







As for getting parts for your model, first I think your slide stop will prolly be going strong when you're old and feeble. But if not, you can find them advertised in parts guns on Gunbroker from time to time, and I've seen posts on internet gun forums in which owners have had gunsmiths recut the slide stop cuts in the slide to accept the standard Browning Hi-Power slide stop. I've never tried it myself but it looks feasible.



I make it a practice to replace the recoil spring in any FEG pistol I buy because eastern European semiautos have a reputation for being on the weak side in the recoil spring department. Replacing the firing pin rebound spring is also a good move. If you can squeeze the rear of the extractor with any ease at all you might want to go ahead and replace the extractor spring as well. These springs are dirt cheap, easy to install, and can be obtained from Browning Arms, Brownells, or Wolff Gun Springs. I'd be surprised if the three would run over fifteen bucks, even less if purchased From Browning Arms.



Adaptability of Browning parts to your gun is quite good except for the slide stop and slide, as we discussed above. I've found that BHP parts will usually fit this model of FEG pistol with no more than normal fitting.And of course any magazine made for the BHP will fit your gun and function just fine. Lastly, if you can find someone who retired their extended FEG safety lever for an ambi unit or other custom unit, their FEG extended safety should fit your gun fine. I did this on my P9. It was a drop-in part and functioned just great.



If you get into any of this stuff, we have a lot written on how to do it, so feel free to search the archives for advice on how to gitterdone. Let us know if we can help you any more. We'll do our best to answer your questions. Best wishes with your new pistol.



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Old 12-02-2010, 10:42 PM   #3
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Thank you, JayPee, for your very well written reply. This indeed answers my question.
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Old 12-03-2010, 10:13 AM   #4
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You're quite welcome. On the subject of parts, KBI, the importer of your pistol, went out of business not long ago and had parts in stock at that time. So FEG owners might keep an ear out to see who bought the stock of FEG parts and stock up on them, especially parts that won't interchange with BHP parts, like the P9M slide stop. Sorry, I don't know who the buyer is at this time.



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It's too bad that Kassnar orered guns (or FEG simply sent what they wanted to) with mixed features/nomenclature, but that is a nice-looking FEG. I do think that you should refer to it by the model designation on it, PJK-9HP rather than 'P9M', because after all that's what it is and will always be on any transfer or other records. Apparently a lot of these were 'mixed-up' like this which certainly makes FEG Hi-Power identification even more tedious. Notice it also has the 'flared' or 'finger rest' front strap which seems to appear mostly in the early production, but it has the late 'improved' features as noted with the barrel, camming system and stop pin. Could you post at least the letter and first three digits of the serial number so we can perhaps try to fit it into the time line? I agree that it is technically a 'P9M' in every way except the model mark on the slide. Maybe FEG was just using up parts there toward the end, and shipped what they could put together.

Just think - all the machinery to make these probably still exists in Hungary. I heard from a good Hungarian souce a few years ago that the owner of FEG kind of went off his rocker and personally tore down the gun works building and threw the debris into a lake. I also know that at least some of the parts and supplies, mainly for the AKM rifles, survived because many 'AMD-65's were assembled here on SA2000M receivers over the last couple of years - I have one of those myself. However, chances are slim to none we ever again see any new HPs coming from Hungary.
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Old 12-03-2010, 04:14 PM   #6
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Good and very important point, 191145a1. One should definitely refer to his gun by the model number stamped on it in any legal documents. The PJK-9HP is its legal identification to BATFE and any insurance companies you might have it insured with.



FEG engaged in the confusing habit of stamping the model number specified by the importer on the gun, rather than their own factory model number. Unfortunately, "Who's on first, what's on second?" appears to be the undying cardinal rule in dealing with the FEG Hi-Power and Hi-Power style pistols.



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Could you post at least the letter and first three digits of the serial number so we can perhaps try to fit it into the time line?


The serial number is F 220xx.
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Old 12-03-2010, 07:14 PM   #8
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Jerry, if it were not for all the goofy things about the FEG Hi-Power, it wouldn't be so intriguing, would it? In fact, if I have good luck on my auction, my BHP will be gone, and I will have the FEG as my only HP. The Browning is too nice to shoot, and I guess I have moved away from the HP in general. I'm keeping the FEG just 'because'. I've had it some time and have a Ceiner kit for it that works :). Any time I start to feel like playing with a HP, I can use the FEG. I probably will take it up a notch with some night sights and a set of grips. Your grips look good - was there any misalignment with them? I had a great set of Esmeraldas that fit the Browning great but the screw hole didn't line up right on the FEG. Makes me hesitant to lay out any bucks on grips.
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Oathkeeper; That sounds pretty late but I'm not sure if the numbers are really sequential. My B 44xxx was made around 1992.
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191145a1, thanks. After ready through JayPee's blog, I got curious as to exactly what I had. Appreciate both of your efforts on this.
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