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Old 02-17-2011, 10:19 AM   #1
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I see that Ruger, Sig, and Kimber have now jumped into the 9mm subcompact pocket pistol market to give Kahr a run for its money. The Kimber with its profile reminiscent of the Colt Pocket Hammerless is most appealing, but I've yet to find any of these big company offerings in a store. I suppose it's the old story: advertise early, deliver months later.

Nonetheless, has anyone shot or simply examined one of these new models? If they're reliable and have a reasonably decent trigger they should really sell. --c
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Old 02-17-2011, 04:12 PM   #2
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Hopefully I will have an answer for you soon. My Kahr CW-9 is scheduled to show up here in North Myrtle Beach Shortly. I looked at the new Ruger and Kel-Tec 9mm's, but I wanted a sub compact from someone who has been manufacturing them for awhile.

I suppose that I am not a "beta test" kind of shooter..... I will report on it back here about the Kahr and I got it for a "smoking" price! (Much lower than the new Ruger!)


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Old 02-17-2011, 04:57 PM   #3
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Have only seen the SIG, but have owned a couple of the Kahr Pm9's, will not own another,that is one pocket rocket that is so hit and miss on functioning it is just nuts.
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Old 02-17-2011, 07:28 PM   #4
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Does the cZ Rami fit your definition? From reading reports and speaking with owners, they seem like a pretty fine pistol. I almost bought one, but it just didn't feel quite right.
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Old 02-17-2011, 07:31 PM   #5
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No experience with any of those very new sub-compacts, but I will second davejames's comment on the Kahr PM-9. I, too, have owned a pair of those, will NOT own another, and bought the second one only because I hoped it would be less hit-or-miss in its functioning than the first one was. It wasn't. The CW-9 I had, however, did function quite well.
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Old 02-17-2011, 07:47 PM   #6
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I have handled one of the new Kimber subcompact nines at my gun emporium. It was pretty nice but I have not gotten to fire it. The trigger was ok but it was heavier than a KelTec PF-9 and wider than the new Ruger.

I tried the Kahrs but mine did not actually work. Went to the G26 but it was too wide and heavy. The PF-9 was ok but mine would only feed ball ammo. I have a Walther PPS that is sort of like a skinny Glock 26. It is sort of picky about ammo and lubrication.

The Kimber was a demo model and was not for sale as no price had been established. I have always had good luck with Kimbers in 1911 style.
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Old 02-17-2011, 08:00 PM   #7
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My local gun shop also had one of the new Kimbers as a demo only. They had filled out "$629.00" on the price tag as memory serves.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:28 AM   #8
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Hello all, I've handled a Rami but found it rather thick and boxy for pocket carry, and Kahr's reliability, from all reports I've received, is, as mightymouse said, hit-or-miss. The one I shot a bit was accurate enough slow fire, but its trigger pull was quite long. I doubt that I could fire it rapidly and accurately if need be.

Thanks for the responses. I guess we will have to wait a year or more to see how these newbies shake out. In the meantime, my old faithful Smith 442 and I remain good friends. --c
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:43 AM   #9
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I'm interested in a PF9 but will probably end up with a Glock 26. Though Kahrs CM9 is of interest.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:21 AM   #10
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My first subcompact 9mm was a Kahr MK9. Nice little pistol but its all stainless steel construction made it very heavy for its size. It was reliable and was rated for +P+ ammo. I shot Corbon 115 and 124 grain JHP in it. Eventually I sold it because it was just too heavy for carry IMO.

I bought one of the "improved" Kel-Tec PF-9's as a replacement. It only weighted one pound even with a full magazine of 115 grain rounds. Very easy to carry and its slimness made it very easy to conceal. But the trigger on mine was horrible and the recoil was just too much for me. So once again I sold the thing.

I had just about given up on finding a subcompact 9mm when I started reading about the new Walther PPS. It seems a likely compromise with its 3.2 inch barrel, 24 ounce weight loaded, and a eight round capacity. So last year I bought a new one and took it to the range for a 100 round break in session. No problems to report with the polymer pistole. It shot to point of aim with the 115 grain loads I had with me. Recoil was managable with the standard pressure loads. The magazine release lever took some getting used to but it won't be a problem. So far I like the little blaster and have been using it as an alternative cold weather carry piece. I have always believed that FMJ is best for penetration when heavy clothing is worn. So I used the RWS/Geco 124 grain FMJ. For warm weather my choice would be the Federal 124 grain Hydra-Shok.

Hopefully my search for the ideal small 9mm pistol has ended. The PPS wasn't cheap at $700 which included two extra mags. But if it serves its purpose then I won't complain about the cost.

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