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Old 02-22-2011, 08:37 AM   #11
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I carried a Colt Pocket 9 for a while. Trigger pull could have used some work, but OK. I liked it, and it was easy to pocket carry. The flaw - with any "high performance" ammo it would bend the slide stop. Colt replaced two. The gun now resides in my safe. I was even able to talk Colt out of two extra magazines.



If I trusted it, I think I might be carrying it instead of my J Frame.



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Old 03-06-2011, 12:48 PM   #12
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I have personally only carried one subcompact 9mm, the Glock 26. I toyed with the idea of getting a Kahr PM9 or Taurus Millenium, but both types failed in student's hands while taking a high round count class(350 to 400rds) per day for two days.

The Kahr was particularly difficult to shoot accurately for one student. Another case of fighting one's equipment as much as fighting the adversary. I dropped the idea of 'slimming down' my 9mm subcompact gun and have stayed with the G26. I seldom carry it, but it is the gun I carry when I travel by air.

I find the G26 very easy to shoot quickly and accurately.
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Yes that is a very valid point. We have sub-compacts that can hold up and shoot as good as a full size combat 9mm with full power self defense loads. These new light duty hard to shoot micro-nines are going past the point of being reliable and accurate enough,sturdy enough to be counted on for serious self-defense usefulness. The power and pressure of the 9mm needs a certain mass and size to work and hold up 100%. Its time to man up and carry the size that works not the tiny unreliable substandard micro for its size only. I stopped carrying 22,25,32,380,s for that reason and drew the line on a J frame,G26,Sig 239 along time ago. I don,t want toy like full power 9mm,s.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:30 AM   #14
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There are some slim 9mm's available but they are not strictly subcompacts. The Star BM/BKMs are reliable enough to carry.

I have pocketed a Star BKM once, but it was awkward to do so.

Appendix or some other IWB rig hides these 9mm guns well.

The Star M43 is small, but all steel and heavy for a small 9mm. On the plus side, it shoots well... partly because of the weight... and the trigger is good. These guns would be my choice if I couldn't carry a G26.

The biggest downside on the Star guns is finding an M43, or BM/BKM on the used gun market, and parts availability. I was lucky to get my BKM when it was new and found an almost new M43 on the used market.

Both the BKM and the M43 I have carried have been very reliable.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:12 PM   #15
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practicaluse,

Interesting about the Colt Pocket 9. Both it and the Pony .380 Pocketlite were in the case the day I decided on the Pony. Didn't think I could pull off pocket carrying the Pocket 9. Have second-guessed myself at times. My Pony has been flawless in operation as long as I allow the trigger to fully reset forward. It is my "Always" carry.



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I don't find it ironic that the same gripes/fears that many 1911 folks have (and I'm one of them) about the shortened slides/barrels reliability is found in the shortened non-1911 9's. If anything it makes me want to think once again about lightening up (less weight) a full-size 1911 for EDC or most-days carry.



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Old 03-07-2011, 02:39 PM   #16
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The Kahr's were originally steel framed compacts (K series) that are as reliable as anything on the market. They are also heavy for their size. So they came out with the polymer guns (P series) that are still reliable. Then they went to the sub compact series (MK and PM) and started having reliability issues. The polymer 40's (in any size) also seem to have reliability issues. The worst of the lot (or so I've heard) are the PM40s.



Aside from the long trigger pull, I've never heard anyone complain about how hard a Kahr is to shoot.
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The reliablilty issues aren't much different than when revolvers went lightweight and had bullets coming unseated from the case from the recoil, then the cylinder locking/binding up. There is a threshold that once you come to the edge, reliability is hit or miss. Not mention that whenever you go subcompact, the limpwristing issues come up more and more. It may work 100% with you but in your wife or son's hands, 60% is the norm.



I remember when I rented a G26 and shot it side by side to my G19. It shot circles 'round my G19... Now that the wife claims my G19, I have plenty of Glock related gear... The G26 looks like the best option.
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Kahr has come out with a CM9. This will be a lower cost PM9, much like the CW9.

I like my little Kahr. Recoil is snappy, but it is very light.



The Kimber is a classy looking pistol. There were a few on Gunbroker, but they went quickly.

I'm curious about the trigger.
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The Kimber site says the Kimber Solo has a single action, striker-fired trigger with a factory setting of 7 pounds.

I'm not sure I understand "single action striker fired."

I just saw one listed for $659.



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Adguy,

The Glock is a single action, striker fired gun. Of course Glock touts their system as a 'safe-action' but by definition, it's a single action striker fired system. Sprfld Armory SD, Walther PPS, S&W M&P semi autos are the same.



NYC Police 'redefined' single and double action so they could buy the Glock as a std issue sidearm.

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