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Old 04-23-2010, 10:41 PM   #1
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Walther PPK/S

Curious, who has experience with the Walther? If you currently own one, what role does it play: concealed carry, collector piece, fun gun at the range? I've been thinking about picking one up for concealed carry. What do you think?



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Old 04-24-2010, 06:07 AM   #2
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I have owned Walther PP series in the past. The most reliable of the lot was the PP in 32 ACP, the original caliber for which it was designed. I then converted it into 380 ACP PPK/s with some help from Numrich Arms. It worked well enough with ball ammo but the ammo was expensive and the gun heavy. I then swapped the upper bits for a 22 LR and that is where it is today. Now owned by a buddy who shoots it regularly, the DA/SA trigger and slide mounted safety are not to my liking.



I would not buy another one and I have heard lots of bad things about the American made ones. In my opinion, 380 is just not an appropriate defensive caliber.



I have a Walther PPS 9mm and have been happy with it. But it is a bit temperamental with regard to cleanliness and ammo.
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Old 04-24-2010, 07:45 AM   #3
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Back in the mid-60's, I got a PPK as a birthday present from my (then)wife; I wanted it because-as Burgs said-it was THE James Bond pistol! Oh, well.

Later,when kids came along, we were down to one (puny) paycheck.So, my few other guns were sold to put food on the table---yeah, mixed up priorities. The one I hated to lose was my sweet Model 27 3-1/2in.The only one that stayed was the PPK. Did I mention my wife gave it to me?

This was in the early days of Super Vel. That gun would choke on feeding anything but FMJ, but was reliable with ball. So, I loaded up with one JHP in the tube and a magazine of hardball.I carried IWB (CCW??---we don't need no stinkin' CCW !!).

Since I was already into reading Cooper and the like, I had no delusions about being armed with the best, but I was armed with the best I had.

As time went on, I got other guns and retired the PPK to the safe.In recent years, I bought a US-made PPK/S.I decided that, if I was going to fire a low power round from a gun that ate my hand, I'd stick with the oldie, so I sold the newer one.

I still have it, and keep it clean, but haven't fired it in quite a while.When I'm gone, my son can have it; maybe he'll show it to his mother who will point out that she got it for me !



PS-I re-acquired the M27 a couple of years ago;still a sweetie!
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Old 04-24-2010, 08:12 AM   #4
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I have had at least one each of PP, PPK, and PPK/S. I've had 1960s German, 1970s and 80s Interarms (US and German) and French Manhurin, and gave it one last try with a 1990s S&W. My experiences mirror the others'.

Reliability was spotty. Triggers were heavy. The gun was oversize for the caliber (now).



The German PP in .32 worked fine and shot tiny little groups, but it was a .32 that was larger than a S&W J-frame. Oh, how I wished that gun was a .22.



The S&W wasn't too bad. The grip shape had some corners that were more squared-off feeeling than a German Walther and I didn't like, but my big complaint was size. There isn't much you can do about that. It may be flatter, but it is still bigger than a J-frame.



I still have two. Both are just to have around for the heck of it, not for anything serious.

One is a US-made Interarms Walther PPK .380 with a suppressor. Yeah, I did. I went to a local suppressor guy with another gun to have a suppressor made for it... and left with an order for the Walther suppressor. I still don't know how that happened. That was not one of my brighter moments, but I guess I have gotten my money's worth out of it in messing with it. Now that I think about it, that wasn't a bad gun before, but only after I had a local guy slick some things up inside so it would work better.

The other one I still have is a PPK-L in .22LR. The "L" in PPK-L is for "lightweight" since it has an alloy frame. Mine is still new in the pebble-grain box with the bore brush and other stuff still in their plastic bags and the little one page instruction sheet for .22s. I thought it was too neat, so I hung onto it.

Both guns are nice to have around, a joy to look at, and maybe to shoot, but I would not carry either even in stock form.



But that's what I see the PP series as: Something people think are neat, but not necessarily the best tool to defend themselves with. They are neat looking in a way, and I admit I like their art deco/art nouveau styling, but not enough to carry one instead of a gun I have more confidence in.

I think Walther missed the boat by not making the P22 look like the PPK. Looking at the basic P22 design, I think the gun could have been reshaped a little to be a .22 PPK knock-off. I think it would have sold even better. As many P22s that are sold as suppressor vehicles, do you think more would be sold if they resembled the PPK?



I also have to admit that I can usually do some decent shooting with a PP-type compared to other guns their size. I don't think I've had one that shot poorly, and a couple shot really well. That DA trigger is so stiff that making use of it is not easy.



Skeeeter Skelton was a revolver man but wrote that he carried PPKs in LE as a BUG or hideout instead of a J-frame. His reasoning was that at the time (1960s), the JHP ammo would not reliably expand in either .380 or .38 Spl, so both just poked a .36" hole through someone. And if both guns made the same hole, one might as well make it with the one that held another shot or two and was flat enough carry/hide a little easier tucked under a shirt in the hot Southwest where he lived.

I can see the reasoning of the time. If the ammo for either one just poked holes through people in his experience, how would he see any advantage to one over the other? And he probably knew plenty of people who could make a PPK run like a top too. Makes sense.



But now, .38 Spl ammo is much improved. And the PPK reliability has declined if anything since then. I think it's a different comparison than what he had.

Plus, .380 guns are smaller now. I'm with Oberstlt here too, in that I'd try hard to move up in caliber. But if stuck with a .380, you can get smaller than the PP series. And lighter.



There is one Walther PP I'd really like, but they have never made them.

I want a PP in .22 LR, in stainless steel, with adjustable sights. It would be big enough to hold and shoot well, but small enough to be handy.

But it wouldn't be cheap, and looking at the sales of Beretta 87s, mid-size, high quality, 22 pistols don't sell well.
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After owning and shooting the full gamut of PPK/PPK-S/PP's, I like them so much less than I did when in high school and drooling over photos of them in "Guns & Ammo." Nor do I like the Sig 230/32. As much as I hate to admit it, the Bersa Thunder's design is very much more to my liking, and price has nothing to do with it. Not a one of those little pistols is going to drive tacks at 25 yards, but having a slide stop might really come in handy sometime. Having a functional slide safety/decocker (Gag!!), is better than having one that is hard to operate or having a different kind of safety in a weird location that is awkward at best to impossible at worst to operate under stress. And the Bersa trigger is a wonder to experience especially side-by-side with the Walther. In short, I wouldn't trade my Bersa Thunder for two Walthers or two Sigs if I had to keep them.

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I looked at the PPK a few times, and always heard all these same complaints, so I skipped it. I do have a Sig P232 that is 100% reliable so far, quite accurate, and light, and is good-looking in the same way as the PPK. I'm not sure I'll keep it, because I've since found a sub-compact 9mm I trust, but it's definitely got the "tuxedo gun" thing going for it. It's light, elegant, and shoots well.

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exactly my feelings on my SiG P230 plinkerneil...but as a Southpaw, I couldn't get comfortable with the PPK's "wrong" sided safety...

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..."tuxedo gun thing"...I like that...

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Old 04-24-2010, 02:16 PM   #9
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Thanks for the feedback guys. All of you. Good stuff to consider.



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Howdy Mr. Klr,



As I often seem to be, I will be the odd man out on this one. I have only owned one PPK/S, it was chambered in .380, and was totally reliable for me with Super Vels. I got it back in the early 70s when I first began to work narcotics undercover.



I wanted something that was flatter than a J frame, and the PPK/S had more rounds, and was quicker to reload. Ballistically I was not all that impressed with either a .380 JHP or a .38 spc JHP when fired from either a PPK/S or 2" J frame. I did not expect either to really expand, so I reckon I saw the PPK/S as the lesser of two evils.



I never fired mine except for quals and practice, so I do not know how it would have worked in a real world situation. Mine was one of the last German versions imported into the US, and I got it about a year before Interarms began to make them under license from Walther. But my PPK/S was totally reliable with JHP Super Vels, or I would not have carried it as my only weapon while undercover. Ex number 2 even carried it for a bit as her CCW handgun. Again I would not have allowed that if the pistol had not been 100% reliable with JHP ammo.



But the next time I went undercover, I was carrying a 3" HB model 36, as I felt it would give me improved ballistics over the PPK/S. It was larger and harder to conceal, but ballistically I felt it was a step upwards for me.



I have seen many of the later PPK/S pistols on ranges while co-workers were qualifying with them, and to be candid, the later versions did consistently appear to be problem children.



With the advancements that have been made in ammunition in the past several decades I do think there are better calibers for self-defense handguns these days. I frankly do not consider the .380 as meeting my personal minimum caliber for self-defense purposes. At a minimum I now carry either a .38 spc or 9mm as my "lightest" caliber handguns.



I simply think these days there are better choices and better calibers for self-defense than the PPK/S or the .380 acp.



So I largely agree with the thoughts of others, except the one PPK/S I owned was totally reliable. But again it was a late, German made version.



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