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Old 07-11-2008, 02:50 PM   #1
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Swiss AT-84, Part 1

Dear Friends,



The aquisition of the following pistol that began some two years ago as part of a first trip overseas to the Country of Switzerland in Europe.



A couple of years ago, I traveled to the Bernese Alps for the first time and managed between days of hiking to travel to the cities of Bern and Lusanne.



In those cities, I would occasionally find a gunshop filled with firearms from all over the world including SIG P-210's, Lugers and many unique firearms that were not easily obtainable in the U.S.



The Swiss have been known for century's for their fine metal, wood and precision fitting skills. "Made like a Swiss Watch" is not an expression for the Swiss, but rather an approach to life and production of day to day modern manufacturing marvels.



I would stare longfully at the bright cases filled with handguns and turn away with steadfast determination to own a Swiss Handgun.



Finally, this year, I made a connection with a handgun (one of the only!) still produced in Switzerland manufactured by Sphinx Co. in Interlaken, CH and imported by Sabre Arms here in the U.S. This handgun has an MSRP of $2,500.00 and was out of my meager grasp with my monthly budget and day-to-day living expenses.



Last month, I made yet another trip to Switzerland and again met with same determination to own a Swiss Handgun. I met with one of our fellow H&A members there and was shown a facinating display of European and American firearms. (As well as some very gracious hospitality) That raised the ante--I just had to have one!



Upon my return, I was finally given the opportunity.



I found a classified ad with a now discontinued Action Arms AT-84 manufactured in Solothurn, CH by the defunct Swiss Company ITM. This CZ style 9 mm pistol has all the accoutrements of the Sphinx and CZ-USA 75B pistol rolled up into one package!



I was absolutely floored to own one!



A deal was struck with the buyer who graciously made a generous offer for the purchase and promptly shipped.



Today, my Swiss AT-84 9mm pistol arrived....



As advertised, it arrive with the original shipping wrapper, instruction manual, cleaning brush, spare magazine. The condition of the AT-84 is NIB condition.



Here it is shown:







My first hand impressions are beautifully finished with bright blue flats, serrated slide top and Millet Style fixed sights. The grips are high gloss walnut. There is no play between slide and frame. It is made like a "Swiss Watch".



There are some distinct differences from my CZ-75B though. The slide stop is shaped differently and the slide/barrel is fitted with a full length guide rod. I am going to be very interested in how this contributes to the accuracy of the pistol.



The double action trigger pull is about 6 pounds with little overtravel and the single action at least half of that! In other words, it is going to be very accurate for practical shooting.



There is a an amazing paradox to this story. I contacted Manuel Wifp with Sphinx in Interlaken, C.H. to inquire into the pedigree of this pistol. He informed me that while ITM went out of business around 1996, the designer and chief engineer designed the Sphinx P-2000 series of handgun built by his company. Unfortunately, he passed away a couple of months ago.



Now, I finally have a handgun of Swiss manufacture and precision I have sought for a couple of years.



Sometimes, things just plain turn out right......



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Old 07-11-2008, 07:47 PM   #2
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Chris,



Congrats on your new handgun! I hope it's everything you've dreamed about. Please send us a range report as soon as possible.

As you know I've let go of all my CZ's because my short thumbs will not reach the SA safety. Oh, well, at least I have my Hi-powers that DO fit and work for me.



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Hello Chris, nice score!



Does the hammer exactly mimic the spur hammer that's shown on the cover of the manual? I can't tell whether it's partially covered by the foam wrap or if it's a bobbed affair.



Can you still get Genuine Factory Mags for it? And, will it accept CZ Mags if not?
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Hi Bob,



Thanks!



To answer your questions, the AT-84 does have a spur hammer and does take CZ-75B and SP-01 magazines. My SP-01 magazines hold 19 rounds which is quite a kick in firepower for this pistol.



This handgun has never beened fired! Another bonus, it is a new handgun!



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Hello Chris & Thanks,



I kinda figured it'd accept CZ mags, but I wasn't totally sure since you said it was a combination of the Sphinx & CZ 75 rolled into one.



Can you use other CZ parts in it as well?
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Hello Bob,



Good question!



My friends on the www.swissrifles.com board tell me that most of the small parts were imported from Italy and made by Tanfoglio.



Here is another picture taken by the seller:







Therefore, the pedigree of the pistol could be closer to the European American Army Witness series of handguns vs. the Czech made CZ.



If that's the case, than I will have pretty good access to spare parts here in the U.S. I can still get springs, magazines and slide stops.



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Nice pistol.

I purchased one a dozen (?) years ago. Identical to yours except finish-mine was HC'd.

Showed it to my Pop and he fell in love with it. I gave it to him for his birthday a few weeks later.

As I recall, the fit/finish was quite nice.

Hope you enjoy yours.
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Thank you sir!



I wanted to come back and post a range report of sorts.



I just came back from the range where I ran about 100 rounds through the AT-84. I shot 124 grain Speer Gold Dots, 124 grain Remington Golden Sabres and a box of Independence 115 grains FMJ.



The AT-84 is a champ!



No FTF/FTE and the pistol ran rock solid. It shot a little to the left and I guess I can adjust the sights for that. I also ran a couple of SP-01 mags through it to verify that it handles CZ magazines.



There was a CZ collector at the range when I was there and he was simply floored to see his "first ever" AT-84. We talked CZ's and handgun collecting/shooting in general.



All in all, it was a great morning! (But then again, any morning you get up and have a chance to shoot is a "great morning")



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Chris,

Congrats on your find, I am sure you will get many years of fine service. Here is mine purchased new in the mid 90s. Don't shoot it much anymore, I just like to look at it and shoot my cZs. At the time I purchased it, the dealer had a number of them with consecutive serial numbers. Still kick myself when I think of it for not buying more. As I recall they were going for $300.



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Hello and thanks,



I enjoy CZ of all genre and appreciate my CZ-75B very much. The AT-84 is much more finely finished than my "painted" CZ-75B. Believe me, the CZ-75B will get shot a lot more than the AT-84!



I do plan on shooting this pistol and very few handguns are in my collection that don't get shot.



Sincerely, I wish I had found out them back in the early '90's when Action Arms was in full swing because I own more than a few.



I reckon the whole point is that there are very few, if any, Swiss handguns on the U.S. Market now. And when you do find one, they are sold at huge prices.



Most of the current Swiss handgun production has moved to their largest trade partner--Germany (SIG SAURER) and my contacts in Switzerland have informed me that the next transition will be to the ubiquous Glock Handgun.



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