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Old 03-26-2012, 11:28 AM   #1
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S&W or DPMS under $600

I'm probably the last one to know, but there are AR's out there for under $600.

The two I've are the S&W M&P Sporter and the DPMS Sportical, which weighs 6.3 lbs, about the same at the Panther Lite.

I've never owned an AR, but was issued a Colt for my unit when I was with the S.O.
That was over 20 years ago and much has changed.

These prices are good.

I'm just curious to know what brand AR owners would recommend.

The only difference I see is the M&P comes with Magpul iron sights.

Thank you for your thoughts.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:57 AM   #2
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I have some experience with the S&W M&P15 MOEs and it was all good. I think the Sporter version just drop a few of the costier features. I would probably pick the M&P if I was in the market. This will bring howls from the Colts aficionados but I already paid a good $400 for mine back in the 1980's when they were the only game in town.

I have a limited experience with DPMS but not extensive. Nothing negative like my experience with BushMaster but the ones I have seen worked fairly well. Many times they were kit guns and had issues as a result of mismatched parts.

The proliferation of AR15 rifles these days is amazing. I see them constantly at the club and read the other day that the 223 is now the most popular rifle cartridge in the US. My young 3Gun friends are all about this gun or that gun, this lower and that, this upper and that. They shoot the heck out of them! My commando days are over and my old CAR-15 just sits in the safe for the trip to the range when the spirit moves. I would venture that most of them are light duty toys.

Therefore, I would ask you what you want to do with it? It is a gun for competition? A survival gun? (I can make it until the medications run out) or just a knock about thing? I like to buy high quality stuff so that I am not starting in the repair mode (Often exceeding a quality purchase) but there are so many out there now, I am not sure.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:30 PM   #3
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Hi Adguy,

I'd personally avoid DPMS or Bushmaster products right now due to widespread dissatisfaction with them being expressed on the forums. I had a Bushy try to eat itself, wound up selling most of it for parts at great loss, and I'll never again own anything they make. My experience with DPMS has been good, but my guns were made six or seven years ago before all the criticism started. The criticism has been authoritative enough and sufficiently based on personal experiences and not "he said, she said" that I'm convinced they've got a problem. So given the choice you've laid out, I'd definitely go for the S&W rifle. And I go along with everything Oberstlt just said as well.

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Old 03-26-2012, 06:52 PM   #4
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Thanks so much. I was kind of leaning towards the S&W since it has sights.

It would simply be a shooter and home gun, oberstit.
I love my M1 Carbine, but it's hard to find ammunition around here. AR rounds are abundant.
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Stock up on magazines. The GI ones are fine for the money. And, for a light duty bolt on optic, I like the Barska AR-15 or the Bushnell MP Red Dots. Not mil spec but not costy either.
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I have had a SW Sport for about 3 months and near 500rds of trouble free shooting. Its made very well and pretty accurate even with M193 ball from federal. I use the Magpul 30,s. I have put a Aimpoint sc9000 with a burris riser. The flip up site works right the through Aimpoint. So you can have peep and Aimpont in place. The lack of the forward assist and dust cover is not a problem. Ar,s poop where they eat which is the cause of jams in all AR,s. The only fix is to keep them clean ,wet&lubed right. Then they are reliable. The Forward assist or dust cover does not make them reliable. I have shot the Tula steel 90 rds as fast as it would shoot with no issues. Its a good rifle with a good reliable heart and innards. Accuacy was 2"-2.5. M.O.A.with the federal m193 off the rest slow rested over the bag. The Aimpoint at 50yds can keep them in the between the eyeball size groups. THe Magpuls work trouble free. Loaded 28 with the dust cap on they should stay good for at least 50 years. Which is more than my watch. For the average citizen its enough rifle.

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It really depends on what you're intended purpose is. If it will be a rifle for recreational range use on occasion, or another activity where heavy use isn't on the horizon, a DPMS or S&W will be fine. On the other hand, if you foresee a lot of heavy use involving your rifle, such as some of the high round count ninja commando training currently envogue or extended field use, then these brands won't cut it. I've personally seen them fail under those conditions with regularity. If that kind of use is in your future you're best advised to pony up the money for a Colt, Daniel Defense or Larue rifle. If you forsee putting a thousand rounds a year through it at the local shooting hole then it might be money adequately spent, it's all about what you expect from it.
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Well said, Trooper.

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My 40 something year old Colt SP1 is allso entry level from the dawn of Ar annals. The only add on is a bayonet and ammo.

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My 40 something year old Colt SP1 is allso entry level from the dawn of Ar annals. The only add on is a bayonet and ammo.
That's not entry level Jeep, that's "vintage". :o)
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