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Old 11-16-2009, 11:04 AM   #1
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Does anyone have any comments or experience with this 115gr JHP cartridge? It is identifed as "Personal Defense" ammuntion and apparently replaced the venerable Federal 9BP 115gr JHP. The pressures and velocity appear to be normal for a standard pressure cartridge, but the shape of the nose makes me wonder about it's suitability in the Hi-Power. And I have found nothing on it's penetration or expansion. Attached is a page from www.federalpremium.com. Thanks.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:52 AM   #2
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Hello. The "C" stands for "classic" if memory serves.



Here are some observations on the Federal 9mm JHP:



http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/H...Federal115.htm



I will also move the topic to "Ammo Discussion".



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Old 11-16-2009, 08:38 PM   #3
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Thank-you Mr. Camp. I had previously read your fine piece on the Federal 115 gr JHP and believe your experience at that time was with the 9BP. And I noted in a later article on the 2006 ammo selection you mentioned the "C" as standing for Classic. However, the product seems to have undergone more than a name change. If the Federal's photos are accurate, there were major design changes with the production of this C9BP Personal Defense round. It appears to have a grey lead HP nose, behind which is a castleated-like-edged jacket. Gone is any hint of the more rounded, ogive, nose of the 9BP. As a newcomer to the Hi-Power I am going to start my education with the "lower tech", reliable 115gr ammuntion you have described. I am just a little leary of the current production Federal C9BP's nose design and would think owners of the older classics would be concerned as well. Thanks for responding to my query and for all you have offered the Hi-Power community.
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:16 PM   #4
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Hello. The bullet shown with the 9mm load in question appears to be a revolver bullet that rather strongly appears to be one from Sierra. (I am not surprised because if memory serves, Sierra made the 9BP JHP for Federal.) Note also that the pictured bullet has a cannulure, which is common in revolver bullets but not usually seen in those for semis.



It is always possible that Federal's had the bullet tweaked but I do not think that the picture they are showing is the correct one.



I looked at .380, but didn't see the 90-gr. Classic JHP listed but when I looked here under a "C-type load" for .45 ACP, I got the same bullet picture as for the C9BP. I think it's just a "generic" JHP picture.



http://www.federalpremium.com/produc...un.aspx?id=118



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Old 11-17-2009, 07:48 AM   #5
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Thank-you sir for solving the mystery. I do have a call in to Federal but they have not responded as of this morning. If they shed any light on this I will post it but I suspect you have it right. Maybe they can at least change the picture and make it accurate and not "scare" away folks like me!
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Well, I'm sitting here looking at them both side by side.

Definitely can see a difference, but not sure how meaningful.



The "old" has a noticeable shoulder and then a sharper angle toward the nose.

The new load is more gently tapered.

By comparison, the W-W Silvertip has a much broader HP and looks as though it could be a feed problem and the CB 115 is squared off like a Mack truck.

I have not yet had a chance to try the "new" CBP through a HP, but will do so ASAP and report back.

All mine have the later feed ramp, so should be no problem.This will not answer the question for older HP's.
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Old 11-17-2009, 08:11 AM   #7
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As an addition to my earlier post, I just realized that the brand new box of ammo shows 9BP as the code.

The box says "Federal Classic Pistol Cartridges".



A little confusing.
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