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Old 08-28-2008, 03:04 AM   #1
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7.62x25mm or 9mm

Which Bullet is good if we compare them by power, accuracy and range wise !!



i currently have Tokarev ( TT33) as my CCW for protection !!



few folks arround the corner said i should swith to 9mm coz 9mm packs more punch then 7.62x25mm

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Old 08-28-2008, 07:02 AM   #2
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Tastes great/less filling from a "stopping power" standpoint. A handgun's ability to stop a human assailant is dependent upon damage to the central nervous system or reducing blood pressure in a hurry - or psychological effects.



There's nothing we can do to ensure the assailant's psychology when he's shot, so the type of handgun plays no role that we can predict in that. Hits on the brain, spine or heart/aorta seem to stop aggressive behavior immediately based on the almost 200 handgun killings (and many more non-killing shootings with handguns) that I've worked on in some capacity or another (two more yesterday :-/ ).



You need precise shot-placement (or luck) and adequate penetration to hit these vitals. Either the 9x19 or the 7.62x25 is perfectly adequate to give what's needed.



I would note that overpenetration is a real concern with 9x19 ball ammo, and the ready availability of hollowpoints in 9x19 should decrease the likelihood of this happening . . . along with the possible benefit of increased tissue damage. I've not worked on a 7.62x25 killing in which overpenetration was an issue - I've seen that the round is quite the penetrator, but the lightweight pill might slow down enough in a human assailant to not overpenetrate. I don't know. Certainly I've seen where slow-moving light bullets failed to adequately penetrate (and this seems to be exacerbated by the use of hollowpoints in such cartridges), but I don't think anyone would call the 1500+ fps that I'm getting from my Tokarev to be slow-moving. :)



The accuracy abilities of the two rounds seems to be comparable: I've had inaccurate and accurate loadings and guns in each. The Tok round shoots flatter as it's moving faster - I sometimes shoot at the 210-yard gongs with it. Your ability to use either effectively at distance is the same so that's kind of a silly consideration, and you're likely to be able to find a more accurate pistol in a 9x19.



A Tokarev is a poor design for CCW use because there's no safe way to keep the gun with a chamber loaded and ready for action. This weapon is designed to be kept with an empty chamber and a full magazine, and racked before use. Since a CCW weapon may be required to be used instantly, this pistol doesn't lend itself well to such use.



I very much enjoy my Tokarev, though, and if that's what you can afford right now, use it in good health and use it safely, and enjoy it. :)
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Thanks for the info.



Are there very many 7.62x25mm shootings in NM?

I think that this info is pertinent to discussion of the *new* .327 Fed. magnum cartridge for the Ruger SP101. The round is hotter than .38 special, but has bullets in the 85gr-100gr. range. Some deride the round as essentially replicating 7.62 Tokarev, but for a revolver.



Comparisons with the 9mm are interesting.
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:13 PM   #4
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I've worked on two 7.62x25 shooting cases that I can recall. Or was it three?



I'd have to dig around to be sure. It's a relatively rare caliber, but the fact that there are so many inexpensive guns floating around in the caliber makes it something that is going to come up from time to time.



I've got a friend with a .32 Fed Mag SP-101, but he's not getting velocities quite up in the Tok range, IIRC. Neat gun, though. :)
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Thanx Erich ... for such a good input !! :)
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You're very welcome . . . now you've got me wanting to go shoot my Polish Tokarev! Maybe Saturday . . .



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I'll keep my big gob shut. I got into trouble with the moderators the last time I weighed in on a 7.62 Tok thread and I've been a reformed errant ever since.
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